semi-official MNS pedigree thread

[jack hairy]

I plan to edit this as new information is given to us
this is something so simple it should have been done long ago,
but better late than never
lets try to get all the question marks filled in or correct any info that isnt accurate to the best of our collective knowledge.
some of the goals are to get the names of the various afghans, skunks, and/or other strains used in multiple varieties to have a better understanding of what is related and what is not.
many of the descriptions will be pasted out of the strains area, then we can correct things as they come up.

The Naturals


Afghan Haze: f1 Afghan T x Haze C

Black Widow:? IBL south indian /brazilian

Critical Mass:? Afghan x Skunk #1(origins of Afghan/Mexican/Columbian)

Critical Skunk:? 75% skunk, 25% Afghan

Devil:? Afghan x Afghan/Skunk

Dreamtime:? a mixture of Skunk, NL, Afghan and Haze

Early Queen:? Early Californian blends with Mexican, Early Pearl x
Early Girl x Super Skunk

Early Skunk: (Early Pearl x Skunk)

Early Skunk Haze: (Early Pearl Skunk x Haze)

G13Skunk:? G13/Skunk#1 x Skunk#1

G13Widow:? G13/Skunk#1 x White Widow

La Niña:? White Widow x Mullumbimby Madness#1

Mango Haze:? (NL5 x Haze C)#122 x (Skunk#1 x Haze C)

Mango x Widow:? Nl/Haze/Sk x Brazilian/Sth Indian

Master Kush x Skunk:? Hindu Kush x Hindu Kush= Master Kush x
Skunk#1(Afghan-Colombia-Mexican)

Medicine man:? Afghan x Brazilian sativa / South India

Neville's Haze:? Nl5/HazeA x HazeC

NL5 x Afghan:? 75% Afghan, 25% Skunk (where does skunk come in?)

NL5 x Haze:? 50% Afghan, 50% Haze

NL5 x Skunk:? 50% Afghan, 50 % Skunk

NORDLE:? 50% Afghan T, 50 % Skunk#1

Ortega:? Basically full Afghan (NL#1 x NL#5)(not a cross of nl1xnl5)

Shark shock:? Brazilian sativa / South India x Skunk # 1

Shit:? Skunk#1 (Dom. Afghan) x Skunk#1

Skunk Haze:? Skunk 50%, Haze 50%

Spice:? Hawaiian sativa x Hawaiian indica

Super Silver Haze:? 25% Skunk, 25% Northern lights, and 50% Haze
C5 x (Skunk x Haze C)

Walkabout:? a mixture of Thai, skunk, Mexican, New Guinea and
Haze (haze maybe not , mullumbimby madness maybe)

EXCLUSIVE LIMITED EDITIONS

Angel Heart: (Mango Haze x Afg. Skunk)

Angel's Breathe: (Mango Haze x Afg. Haze C)

ASH: (Afg Skunk x Afg Haze C)

Critical Haze: (Critical Mass x Afg. Haze)

Early Haze: (Early Queen x Afg. Haze)

G13Haze: IBL G13 x Haze C

Master Kaze: (Master Kush Skunk x Afg. Haze)

Neville's Haze Mango: (Neville's Haze x Mango)

Neville's Skunk: (Nev. Haze x Afg. Skunk)

NHS-National Health Service: (NL5/Haze x Skunk)

Pink Floyd: (CM x Hz (AC))

The Cure: (Af/Sk x Hz (AC))

The Doors: (NL5/Hz x Hz (AC))

The Stones: (MK/skxHz (AC))

U2: (EQxHz (AC))


NEW stuff and others:

Haze AC: (NL5 x Haze A)2 x (Skunk x Haze C)

Grail Widow:

Widow x AC:

G13* x Widow

New Skunk:

 

[jack hairy]

come on guys, lots of S's, T's, A's, and C's to fill in next to names.
i took the liberty of listing shantis mullumbimby madness as #1, because its the first one many of us know about from a commercial seed supplier, and so it does not get confused with nevils work with a strain by the same name, and in case there are different MM plants in use in various strains now or in the future.

 

[blackberry]

I thought its time to get some discussion going about old information, new information, sorting through this pile of mess to find the truth.
we may not be far off, maybe its just some little things that are no big deal to some.

but you cant build a strong foundation on top of a bunch of errors and mistakes.

whats on your minds?

I think it is
5HzC1xSkHzA1=SSH and
5HzC122XSkHzA1=Mango Haze

SkHzA1 being a new SkHz father that Shanti find (probably on the beginning of the Mango Haze development).

 

[Elmer Bud]

G `day Jacky

My 2 cents .

I plan to edit this as new information is given to us
this is something so simple it should have been done long ago,
but better late than never
lets try to get all the question marks filled in or correct any info that isnt accurate to the best of our collective knowledge.
some of the goals are to get the names of the various afghans, skunks, and/or other strains used in multiple varieties to have a better understanding of what is related and what is not.
many of the descriptions will be pasted out of the strains area, then we can correct things as they come up.

The Naturals


Afghan Haze: f1 Afghan x Haze C

Black Widow:? IBL south indian /brazilian Back crossed not the cup winner

Critical Mass:? Afghan x Skunk #1(origins of Afghan/Mexican/Columbian)

Critical Skunk:? 75% skunk, 25% Afghan

Devil:? Afghan x Afghan/Skunk

Dreamtime:? a mixture of Skunk, NL, Afghan and Haze

Early Queen:? Early Californian blends with Mexican, Early Pearl x
Early Girl x Super Skunk Back crossed to SK

Early Skunk: (Early Pearl x Skunk)

Early Skunk Haze: (Early Pearl Skunk x Haze)

G13Skunk:? G13/Skunk#1 x Skunk#1 Back crossed to SK

G13Widow:? G13/Skunk#1 x White Widow Back crossed to Sk

La Niña:? White Widow x Mullumbimby Madness#1

Mango Haze:? (NL5 x Haze C)#122 x (Skunk#1 x Haze C)

Mango x Widow:? Nl/Haze/Sk x Brazilian/Sth Indian

Master Kush x Skunk:? Hindu Kush x Hindu Kush= Master Kush x
Skunk#1(Afghan-Colombia-Mexican) Skunk back cross .

Medicine man:? Afghan x Brazilian sativa / South India New version not the same after 2010

Neville's Haze:? Nl5/HazeA x HazeC Nevil only wanted seeds he made for breeding purposes . Cast doubt on filial generation .

NL5 x Afghan:? 75% Afghan, 25% Skunk (where does skunk come in?)

NL5 x Haze:? 50% Afghan, 50% Haze remake , not original

NL5 x Skunk:? 50% Afghan, 50 % Skunk

NORDLE:? 50% Afghan, 50 % Skunk#1

Ortega:? Basically full Afghan (NL#1 x NL#5)(not a cross of nl1xnl5)

Shark shock:? Brazilian sativa / South India x Skunk # 1

Shit:? Skunk#1 (Dom. Afghan) x Skunk#1 lotsa herms

Skunk Haze:? Skunk 50%, Haze 50%

Spice:? Hawaiian sativa x Hawaiian indica

Super Silver Haze:? 25% Skunk, 25% Northern lights, and 50% Haze
C5 x (Skunk x Haze C)
Walkabout:? a mixture of Thai, skunk, Mexican, New Guinea and
Haze (haze maybe not , mullumbimby madness maybe) Early Queen / Skunk crossed sativa land races

EXCLUSIVE LIMITED EDITIONS

Angel Heart: (Mango Haze x Afg. Skunk)

Angel's Breathe: (Mango Haze x Afg. Haze C)

ASH: (Afg Skunk x Afg Haze C)

Critical Haze: (Critical Mass x Afg. Haze)

Early Haze: (Early Queen x Afg. Haze)

G13Haze: IBL G13 x Haze C

Master Kaze: (Master Kush Skunk x Afg. Haze)

Neville's Haze Mango: (Neville's Haze x Mango)

Neville's Skunk: (Nev. Haze x Afg. Skunk)

NHS-National Health Service: (NL5/Haze x Skunk)

Pink Floyd: (CM x Hz (AC))

The Cure: (Af/Sk x Hz (AC))

The Doors: (NL5/Hz x Hz (AC))

The Stones: (MK/skxHz (AC))

U2: (EQxHz (AC))


NEW stuff and others:

Haze AC: (NL5 x Haze A)2 x (Skunk x Haze C)

Grail Widow:

Widow x AC:

G13* x Widow

 

[alecky]

I think the NL5 x Afghan is actually NL5 x Afg/Sk male.

 

[jack hairy]

I think it is
5HzC1xSkHzA1=SSH and
5HzC122XSkHzA1=Mango Haze

SkHzA1 being a new SkHz father that Shanti find (probably on the beginning of the Mango Haze development).

are you joking about this, or did you see this somewhere?

SSH has always been about doubling up on haze C, mango haze as well as they share the same father and the mothers are sisters.

 

[la resistance verte]

i m waiting for the new g13 widow

 

[blackberry]

are you joking about this, or did you see this somewhere?

SSH has always been about doubling up on haze C, mango haze as well as they share the same father and the mothers are sisters.

ASH and Angels Breathe is made with the Afghan Haze C male side....hope that curbs all the interest...but SSH and Mango Haze are pedigree breeds incorporating both sides of Haze A and Haze C combinations....in their breeding.

All the best Sb

Well it is either that or a SkHzAC1?
There is other way of incorporating HzA in the SSH?

 

[afgan hound]

I think MH ssh has Hza to some extent but not through n5hza or skhza or skhzac but through the breeding of haze alone by nevil that produced the hza hzc males

 

[wwwwww]

I think the grail widow is shantis widow male x "the Grail"nevilles haze pheno

 

[kief420]

I'm just a little up set that I was under the assumption that angels breath had the most haze a in it and it don't , I would have went with nl5/haze even though I hear it's not the same or kali mist if I knew this but life lesson learned , just will be put in the back ofvthe rotation I was hoping so much for this strain.

 

[jack hairy]

yeah, thats why we need to work together to improve the quality of information.

But your logic is a little faulty.
you would not choose a nl5/haze over angels breath because AB has no haze A in it.
neither does the nl5/haze.
you would choose nevils haze if you wanted to find haze A traits.
kali mist i dont know and not sure if anyone else does. i remember kali, and it was sweeter than what ive experienced from NH and NH hybrids, but i wouldnt think it was from the Haze C side. maybe a combination of both

 

[kief420]

I had kali mist and nl5/haze in the mid 90s and besides the kali having a little different smoother floral taste I believe they are at least from the same gene stock if not the same mother plant maybe just ran a little different .!

 

[ENGLISH]

I had kali mist and nl5/haze in the mid 90s and besides the kali having a little different smoother floral taste I believe they are at least from the same gene stock if not the same mother plant maybe just ran a little different .!

We had the kali back then and although nice not as nice and we didnt keep her.

 

[PurpleBuz]

I think it is
5HzC1xSkHzA1=SSH and
5HzC122XSkHzA1=Mango Haze

SkHzA1 being a new SkHz father that Shanti find (probably on the beginning of the Mango Haze development).

and we also have a post by shanti

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/2064-post27.html
Nh is made from Haze C male which is made by two pure haze parents from 1969....then the female side of NH is made from Haze A combined to NL5 or NL5Haze A where Haze A was also made by two pure Haze parents also from 1969 Haze A is no longer alive only Haze C male is along with several other different sativa lines. But plants with the lineage of Haze A are still alive and carrying the genes within. SSH is made up of Haze C combined to Skunk 1 or Skunk HzC which is the male side, the female side is Haze C combined to NL5 or NL5HzC the Mango comes from a parallel cross same as SSH but with one difference Haze A male combined to Sk 1 or Sk HzA being the male plant, the female is NL5HzC....that is the breeding of those three plants. Considering the Haze A is no longer a male alive, it still is alive in the ancestry of some of the plants used in all these breeds

 

[topheavy420]

I would love to see a double up on haze A

 

[sensient]

Nordle=afghan t x skunk#1 ibl
Afghan haze = afghan t x haze.
The g13 / widow = g13/skunk x the male used in white widow.
Many more mistakes in those lineages but nice job on getting them together. Needs some work but nice one on taking the time to put it together . looking forward to reading the end results once all the info is corrected! S

 

[sensient]

Also don't forget the mango haze original(testers) and the mango haze nowused different parents, which in my opinion is a shame as the testers were the better of the two.

 

[sensient]

The nevs haze of today is nowhere as good as the original. Nev used the last of the nev haze seed stock he made for his latest work. I think that's says something in itself. Notice the variation in the Nevs haze nowadays? Something going on there but only shanti knows the truth there . In our many phone conversation s Nevil told me repeatedly that the NH sold by MNS seeds today are not the original cross but F2,s. Shanti says otherwise. Why would nev make it up, makes no sense to me.I used to have full respect for shanti and still have respect for what he created, the white lines ect. But the whites of today and the whites of when MNS first started are just not the same. Wish I could post pics. Cannabis world website is back up and has the old MNS help desk, some of the original posts and photos are still there, check them out and have a good look at the pictures, you,ll see what I mean, but the pictures are all there . take care..S

yeah, thats why we need to work together to improve the quality of information.

But your logic is a little faulty.
you would not choose a nl5/haze over angels breath because AB has no haze A in it.
neither does the nl5/haze.
you would choose nevils haze if you wanted to find haze A traits.
kali mist i dont know and not sure if anyone else does. i remember kali, and it was sweeter than what ive experienced from NH and NH hybrids, but i wouldnt think it was from the Haze C side. maybe a combination of both

 

[jack hairy]

sensient, thanks for your additions to the list, thats exactly the kind of thing i was looking for.
i really dont know much about the indica strains mns has, i have mainly focused on the hazes.

as far as the NH goes, im not so sure it isnt as claimed.
first, ive heard that shanti sent current stock seeds, not the old ones nevil made himself. whether that has any impact on the outcome is unknown.
ive smoked the NH selection nevil made from back in the day,
and i had a nice NH that came from current stock out of 5 seeds.
the classic was better, but given enough numbers for selection, i wouldnt doubt you could find one just as good.

strange thing about breeding, why would you want to keep secret the extra work you had to do to select a new male that produces good offspring, or to find a new mother?
shit happens and mothers and fathers get lost.
if you can put out a product that stands up to the original, why wouldnt you be proud to show what you have done to put that product out there, compared to just producing seed with plants that have been around and selected and mated by someone else?

so for that reason and just for hope that the originals are still alive, i will remain skeptical of everything casting doubt untill science can prove the genetics are legit.