Big Sur
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For the most part I have seen the opposite in growing over 100 different landrace strains when bred IBL. Now these are seeds from bag weed that I collected in the 1970s and 1980s myself, and from verified sources of a few other collectors and collectives, and not the 'new' so called landraces that have been 'worked' available out there now. Many so called landraces now are indica hybrids in sativas and hence have a smorgasbord of genetics in them. And some of my original source strains like Colombians and SE Asian strains have higher variability, and some strains like Lebanese have two distinct phenotypes. But for the most part pretty much all Mexican, African and SE Asian strains that I have grown are consistent from bag weed seeds. In the newer suspect stuff that is not always the case. Such as modern Kerala, Morocco, Kazakh, Greek, Cambo Red, and a dozen others out there. Most of these are now at least in part indica hybrids.
In the particular case of Haze, whatever Watson or Rosenthal or Clarke said and"/"or what Nevil and or the original whomevers (the ~not~ Haze Bros., some surfer dude or some local unknown in the Watsonville, CA area) bred into what was Haze. Original Haze was (supposedly) a hybrid of multiple landraces originating from bag weed seeds. So it will have had a large selection of phenos as a result. In my experience any time you breed different landraces you will get wide variety of results. Especially when breeding indicas with sativas. The genetic genie pops out of the bottle. But if you breed them IBL, they will remain rather consistent for about 5 generations until they start to adapt to new climates and environments (when genetic switching occurs). There are some wilder and woollier exceptions to this that I have grown, like Sinai and pure Durban from South Africa that grow some highly variable phenos. They need to be bred to stabilize them. But the wild strains are also capable of re-invigorating cultivars that have been overly inbred. For example, my landrace Durban back cross of the Dutch Durban strain originally worked by Mel Frank (his B line) and later bred with de-skunked skunk by Watson and grown here locally in Oregon. That line was missing terpepes, seemingly from the de-skunked skunk and adapting to indoor growing. Breeding it with the more wild landrace Durban brought the terps back into the strain, along with keeping the stable blooming that the landrace did not have. It worked far better than I expected and in only one "F1" generation. The back cross is very stable and consistent as well. At least in the IBL2 and IBL3 generations. It seems to be popular, and being sold by several out there now, as well as being bred into a strain called Triple Durban. Things move fast with good genetics.
In the particular case of Haze, whatever Watson or Rosenthal or Clarke said and"/"or what Nevil and or the original whomevers (the ~not~ Haze Bros., some surfer dude or some local unknown in the Watsonville, CA area) bred into what was Haze. Original Haze was (supposedly) a hybrid of multiple landraces originating from bag weed seeds. So it will have had a large selection of phenos as a result. In my experience any time you breed different landraces you will get wide variety of results. Especially when breeding indicas with sativas. The genetic genie pops out of the bottle. But if you breed them IBL, they will remain rather consistent for about 5 generations until they start to adapt to new climates and environments (when genetic switching occurs). There are some wilder and woollier exceptions to this that I have grown, like Sinai and pure Durban from South Africa that grow some highly variable phenos. They need to be bred to stabilize them. But the wild strains are also capable of re-invigorating cultivars that have been overly inbred. For example, my landrace Durban back cross of the Dutch Durban strain originally worked by Mel Frank (his B line) and later bred with de-skunked skunk by Watson and grown here locally in Oregon. That line was missing terpepes, seemingly from the de-skunked skunk and adapting to indoor growing. Breeding it with the more wild landrace Durban brought the terps back into the strain, along with keeping the stable blooming that the landrace did not have. It worked far better than I expected and in only one "F1" generation. The back cross is very stable and consistent as well. At least in the IBL2 and IBL3 generations. It seems to be popular, and being sold by several out there now, as well as being bred into a strain called Triple Durban. Things move fast with good genetics.
