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at MNS is mixed with "S", "ort15" and skunk in Shanti's Nordle offering from a batch of old Nev seeds.
I've always known that nordle is Afghan (s/t?) x skunk
where did you read that lineage?
at MNS is mixed with "S", "ort15" and skunk in Shanti's Nordle offering from a batch of old Nev seeds.
I'll save you much trouble with any future questions.
If it has a name like girl scout cookies, white castle, or cheese quake.....it was a pollen chucking closet hack that got lucky (rezdog or sub cool anyone? ).
I honestly don't care for the names like starlight og lemon kush mudflap.
It's not even really a strain....a strain is a genetic standard that can be found in nature or produced easily by 2 known and papered strains.
It's a hybrid of 2 hybrids of 2 hybrids, and so on.
All these "cutting only" strains? It's not even a hybrid line....its 1 fookin plant.
Do yourself a favor and search for Chimera, the man is a walking dictionary of plants and biology.....ask him, he is very open and willing to provide info.
I will warn you though, be prepared for a doctorate thesis type responce....he is that knowledgable.
Yeah, that guy posting as Nevil is not the real guy.
First of all, he spelled his own name wrong.
It's "Nevil", not "Neville".
Second of all, part of that post you keep quoting is actually a quote from the real Nev made here on MNS. It then continues with some extra info which is incorrect.
Devil is an indica line that is unrelated to the jim ortega seeds. Pre-dated them in the portfolio by quite a while.
Throwbacks to afghan T will not be made more likely by doing an outcross to devil.
Afghan T is what you seek to re-create superskunk which was the closest thing Sensi had to the real old skunk that spread across the US from the hills of NorCal. Afghan S was sweet, not skunky.
Nev only mentions "S" because the only way to get "T" in an indica at MNS is mixed with "S", "ort15" and skunk in Shanti's Nordle offering from a batch of old Nev seeds.
It is also available in Afghan Haze, but must be selected out of course.
People questing for the original skunk may as well be looking for the arc of the covenant or some other legendary thing that will never be found.
BTW: if you spent 3 minutes checking out the person posting as neville on rollitup, you would find posts like this one where he says things like:
https://www.rollitup.org/t/nevils-new-genetics.677036/page-7#post-9776340
If you want to learn what Nevil shared with the web, I would suggest you read his posts here on MNS. It's the only place he came out to play in public, and we should all be grateful Shanti left the posts here for us to use as a reference.
Yeah, this is one of the big draws of this forum.
Other boards have way more active users and all the positives (and negatives) that come from that.
But this board is the only one where you can sometimes directly speak with one of the "legends" (Shanti) and can find some other "legends", like Nevil et al, have discussions in older, archived threads.
I believe I have already read everything posted by Nevil here and sometimes I go through it again, sometimes I discover a post or thread I had somehow missed. A lot of gems in there, especially regarding history and genetics/gene pool stuff (which are among the things that interest me the most). You barely find that type of coherent, to the point, unembellished info on these things as you find them in posts/threads from Nevil and Shanti.
Vis-a-vis Skunk, terpenes, Strawberry, Roadkill, etc. etc.:
From my research and first experiences with Skunk and Skunk containing strains, I have long since come to the believe that Skunk is somewhat of an "all-rounder" in terms of terpene profiles.
I remember the first couple of multi strain grows I did, with 5 or 6 strains in one grow and about 5 plants per strain, all strains had a certain range of terpene profiles but Skunk and Skunk containing strains seemed to always have a wider range of terpene profiles.
We all know that Skunk, along with NL, has been probably the most crossed strain in cannabis history. It's in almost everything.
I used to always think that's because Skunk and NL were just the "best" overall strains out there when things got heated in the scene and took off and that's why they were used so widely, because they were so popular.
With regards to NL, I still am of that belief: Was/is just one of/the strongest Indica/s and was crossed to give any strain that Indica/body "oomph" if it was missing that and that was desired.
But with Skunk... It was never the most potent strain, was it? The most "knock you on your socks" strain. But it was stinky, smelly, it was used so much because of its wide ranging terpene profile, which came with a solid body of other properties.
That is what I believe by now.
And from what I have seen of Skunk and Skunk containing genetics so far, I can absolutely believe any sort of terpene profile to be found in there.
Blowingupjake here on the board grew out a pack of Walkabout and found a dead ringer Blueberry Cupcake pheno in that pack.
How? How did that happen if DJ Short had to do all that work, sacrificing a lot of desirable properties, like potency, in the process to come out with his world famous and highly desired Blueberry?
How does a relatively new/young grower like Jake find a dead on Blueberry pheno in a pack of Walkabout? From a company that had no dealings or joined projects with DJ Short or anyone using his Blueberry genetics?
I can imagine two answers:
A) MNS did at some point introduce Blueberry into their gene pool and it just happened to pop out in that Walkabout pack
B) DJ Short and all the others, used Skunk (or at least the genetic forebearers of Skunk - afghan, colombian, mexican) in their breeding efforts and the Blueberry terpene profile was a combination with or within the Skunk line
From what I could gather and my limited experience, I would say B) is more likely.
That being said, regarding "So which Skunk from which Breeder is "the best" which one should I grow?":
Personal preference ...
I personally do like the MNS version because like most MNS strains, they apparently refrained from bottlenecking it too hard. That's why you always get more seeds per pack with MNS than elsewhere: Because they refuse to bottleneck their strains to the point of no return for the tradeoff of being able to claim "at least 1 pheno as advertised in a pack of 10". Which I like a lot.
So I would say "Shit" is probably one of the Skunk offerings out there that would be the best bet to "start over" or try to re-create something like Roadkill or Garlic Bud or Cheese or the like.
I can definitely say from experience that the terpene profiles in Shit seem to be of a wide spectrum.
From what I could gather online, I would say most other Skunk offerings out there will be more bottlenecked towards the particular grower's/breeder's tastes.
Which doesn't mean they are "bad" or "worse than MNS shit". It just means they are more bottlenecked. Basically they did more of the breeding work for you already but in the direction they chose, which might not be the direction you would choose.
I know for example that Peakseeds Skunk has gotten quite a good reputation but it is bred and bottlenecked according to what they like/look for in that strain. I believe his was quite Indica heavy and not very fruity. Think MikeJ over at peakseeds generally liked his Indica stuff in the past and always went that direction. But last I spoke with him a few years ago, he was showing a great interest in moving towards Sativa strains.
Anyway, I digress. There are other sources, like MNS, that might be "less bottlenecked". I heard Uncle Fester's name dropped a lot with regard to "old school Skunk" that you could likely use to find a lot of the old terpene profiles that are missing in current offerings.
So in the end, my suggestion would be to make a decision if you want to try and breed, re-create whatever Skunk-related terpene profile you know from the past, or if you want to go with something readily on the market and would like a "worked" line already.
If you want to breed and try and re-create, go with "less worked" versions of Skunk like the MNS version.
If you want something readily available, you will have to find information on each particular Skunk breeder and what direction they took their Skunk and figure yourself if that sounds like what you would want.
What you can do beforehand is limit the pool of potential breeders to check out, by overall checking their reputation/community feedback.
You would quickly eliminate a lot of the Skunk offering entities out there, like Sensi or Dutch Passion.
I believe the Flying Dutchman's Skunk is actually one of the few strains you can buy from them.
Tough question to be honest...
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Like Chinese cooking; combine the sweet, sour, salty, bitter, spicy.... From what I understand, smells like chocolate and skunk are a rather complex combinations of odors. So skunk in weed is likely a complex combination of terpenes. Get it just right, and wham! There it is. But there are a million ways to miss that combination...
... so the stench likely comes from the Afghani side...
Easier said than done....Of course that may be pure luck as well...
A good starting point.... so the stench likely comes from the Afghani side...
American ingenuity and greed strikes again.Good luck... It was pretty great, but more for the consistently heavy, relatively fast crop that was easy to grow and trim than the "best weed" label people attach to it...
...People questing for the original skunk may as well be looking for the arc of the covenant or some other legendary thing that will never be found...
Good luck. I think the memories of skunk being "the best" outstrip the reality. I would wager most searching for skunk didn't experience it. IMO and E, It was pretty great, but more for the consistently heavy, relatively fast crop that was easy to grow and trim than the "best weed" label people attach to it. I do remember it being more of a Sativa dom hybrid than it seems to tend to now.
Just an opinion.
This year I will be doing some hunting and open pollination on the mns shit and mns devil, then possibly breeding the 2 together in hopes of finding something truly skunky
I’ve been looking for roadkill since the day I tried it and none have compared to that yellow haired skunk spray bud I tried, you could literally smell it from bloacks away, a truly remarkable terp profile
And with legalization happening around the world, I hope that myself or someone can find it once again and bring it back to its former glory
Road kill aka the original skunk was California only.
Trying to find it will only get you lost.
There was no Afghan in it...it was Lebanese and Moroccan indicas
Road kill aka the original skunk was California only.
Trying to find it will only get you lost.
There was no Afghan in it...it was Lebanese and Moroccan indicas
Wow nice
Is ir your favorite smoke or in your top 10 say ?
I'll save you much trouble with any future questions.
If it has a name like girl scout cookies, white castle, or cheese quake.....it was a pollen chucking closet hack that got lucky (rezdog or sub cool anyone? ).
I honestly don't care for the names like starlight og lemon kush mudflap.
It's not even really a strain....a strain is a genetic standard that can be found in nature or produced easily by 2 known and papered strains.
It's a hybrid of 2 hybrids of 2 hybrids, and so on.
All these "cutting only" strains? It's not even a hybrid line....its 1 fookin plant.
Do yourself a favor and search for Chimera, the man is a walking dictionary of plants and biology.....ask him, he is very open and willing to provide info.
I will warn you though, be prepared for a doctorate thesis type responce....he is that knowledgable.
Good luck. I think the memories of skunk being "the best" outstrip the reality. I would wager most searching for skunk didn't experience it. IMO and E, It was pretty great, but more for the consistently heavy, relatively fast crop that was easy to grow and trim than the "best weed" label people attach to it. I do remember it being more of a Sativa dom hybrid than it seems to tend to now.
Just an opinion.
Nice to know, was it good enuff for you to keep a cutting of those pre skunk seeds and funny trade back and forth between the new world and the ancient world ( europe and america).
On a side note, what do you think of master thai and uncle fester as breeders compared to mr.nice that IMHO is the benchmark.
And do they have strains that are much better than others in their offering ?
I tried to re-veg the strawberry skunk plant but it croaked. Never happened before. I have always been able to re-veg plants after harvest under lights. No loss though, I have over 100 more of these beans. This was from a private collector trade, and not from a seed company. So they were not in any offering, per se. I have some other skunk beans from NorCal as well. Never saw or heard of skunk coming from SoCal. It was around California long before they had it in Holland. Say 1977? Maybe earlier. That as the first I saw it.
Yes, odd that I have gotten some rare heirloom from Europe and not here where they came from. I got Cali-O and Maui Waui from Europe as well. But that seems more common than not. For example, I have rare Colombian and Mexican landrace strains that are extinct in those places now. The black market world for you. As for breeders? Breeding is variable. Some like me breed mainly IBL to preserve lines. I think that is all that Uncle Fester set out to do. It was similar in the 70s in Big Sur, where they grew Zac Purple for a decade before I got it from them. Hybrids were not always the goal, nor should they be, IMO. Master Thai is something different, and I do not know much about his lines. He inherited Uncle Fester's beans (who happened to be his real uncle).
As for the 'Dutch benchmark breeders', my version is that they leveraged the work done in California and other places. And in California they leveraged the work done over the previous 10,000 years of armies of unknown people growing weed. Not to suck up, but Shanti is a rarity in that he bred White Widow himself, one of the true Dutch breeds. But few hybrids merit long term growing and they fade in time. Its the same with other plant hybrids in the flower industry. People always want new sensations. I collect strains and I think of then as the benchmarks, not the fairly tale stories of who may or may not have bred them. Like who made Bubblegum in Indiana? Who was the Indian that came up with Northern Lights on an island west of Seattle? Or who brought Zac Purple to Big Sur? We all have beans that other people worked long long long before us.