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Old 02-07-2011, 09:51 PM
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Just finished up week 8, headed for week 9. Sweet spice/incense is the smell in most of the nine plants right now--it reminds me of mangos and play-doh. I've found one with a full black pepper note upfront (sweet undertone). There are two NL leaning phenos that are really packing on the flowers (more citrus in the nose of these). The others appear a few weeks behind on thickening up, but the buds are definitely starting to take shape.

Could anyone offer their experience with phenotype ratios with this strain?

I had a mite and powdery mildew outbreak in my main flowering area (from some gifted plants), so the NH was moved into a 2'x4' tent with a 1000w HPS. At this point I'm cutting any fan leaves with PM and delicately spraying with a neem mixture to control the bugs. Hoping to make it to the finalé, but this will not be the perfect grow I wanted to give to these women.

Cuttings of each were transplanted to 1 gallon containers this morning and will get re-run after this batch finishes. Hopefully I can figure out which one to use outdoors this summer.

On to the pictures. Comments, feedback, experiences, etc. are welcomed!
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Old 02-08-2011, 12:46 AM
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Just ran across some interesting information in the "SSH, Sour D, Jack Herer All the Same" thread and wanted to solicit opinions from the more experienced.

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The JH came out of a batch that made before ending up in jail. My ex manager grew this batch out when I was in jail or shortly after I got out (so he told me). It was a stand out indica type reminisent of the NL5. It was quick too, 8 weeks. Most of the siblings were stretchy sativa types. I tested the same batch again, but didn't find another one. If you do the numbers with something with even 25% NL5, you will find types that lean to the NL5. This was one. They pop up in the NH too, but until now they haven't been the best ones.
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I'm wondering what that means in regards to the short, dense, fast flowering NH I keep drooling on. I'm also curious to know what "until now they haven't been the best ones" is referring to...? (edited: Smoked a bowl and thought a bit--maybe it's not about NL5 leaning women at all. Pure speculation--and I'm blissfully high--but is this a reference to the male NH sought/held for the grail project?)

And one more helpful bit of advice from Nevil:

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At least HzA still lives through the NH. But I do regret loosing it prematurely.
Worse was loosing the First Haze female. She was similar in type to HzA, but I suspect a generation earlier. In my mind, it was the Haze archetype. I should have put HzA to that plant. There wasn't anything sweet about FH (First Haze), like the progeny from HzA, she was spicy leathery and people would often recoil if they came into a room where you had been smoking it.
The Haze C was sweeter and generally a better breeding plant because of this, otherwise C and A were equal in quality. HzA hybrids could yield more. In the NH, HzC accounts for 50% of the genetics, yet the predominant good pheno is the HzA type.
I would say that both A and C were from a sibling to FH and I'd guess that the true OH prior to '69 is the spicy leather type which I associate with the Chocolate Buddha Thai of the early'70s. The F1 NH is a time capsule, throwing back to the past glories of the S.E Asian masters IMO. We must use it well.
(my emphasis)

Sounds like Nev views the HzA (spice instead of sweet, leather) as the best representation of NH. Has that been others' experience as well?

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Old 02-09-2011, 07:45 AM
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The first pic and the fourth look like the keepers to me...nice mix, and look like they will actually finish..good shit bro
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Old 02-09-2011, 08:55 PM
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I really like this thread and your writing style. I wish I had something to contribute but all I can do is wish you well. Subscribed!
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Old 02-11-2011, 06:47 PM
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Thanks longhorn--the first pic in that set is the one I've been watching most intensely. Half the resin-heads are translucent already, and the (seed) plant's @ 61 days. I'm excited to run a few more of her next time.

Scrog, thanks for the kind words. Yours is a big contribution for me--it let me know I'm not just babbling to myself.

On to babbling?

Signs and weather are temporary. The best laid plans, models, hopes, dreams, and--of course--ships are bound to be smashed upon rocks if captains assume that the course to safe passage is unchanging. To plot a viable path, the astute navigator needs to consider all the forces--some conscious or visible, others not--between present-position and desired future-position. The powdery mildew and mites have thrown me for a loop, but I hope to salvage the remnants of a great first 9 weeks of flowering. But there are larger forces bearing down on all of us, often signaled with shifting winds.

Take this recent case of sunny weather here in my valley. Redirecting the coastal conveyor requires significant energy, an energy that only builds a few times over the winter and requires small creek climate zones to briefly harmonize with the massive Columbia river watershed through the natural amplification of the Columbia River Gorge. The Columbia River is a giant liquid energy flow, originating in glaciers in the Rocky Mountain range of British Columbia. It's flow over millions of years, with the assistance of over 40 massive floods from Glacial Lake Missoula, carved the natural wonder we call "the Gorge". A strong East wind follows the river through the Gorge, making the area home to some of the world's largest wind farms and best windsurfing/kiteboarding.

The gorge is home to a particularly tough and taciturn lot, many who stoically farm commodity crops more commonly acceptable by polite society. These people work as long as the job requires, attend church, and warily send their children to small government outpost schools, all while teetering on the edge of economic calamity caused by monopoly forces in US agribusiness. The East wind carries the unfortunate refuse of 20th century mistakes from the Hanford Nuclear Reservation and the Umatilla Weapons Depot through the gorge, picking up the top soil and petrochemicals from the stoic farmers--as well as a bit of their malaise towards change--depositing it all further down the river/energy channel (especially in the Superfund zone of Portland, the West's "greenest" city).

But back to that sunny weather. When the ground heats around the massive watersheds feeding the Columbia, the dense, cold air sinks with snow melt all the way to the gorge, providing (when conditions are right) a dramatic surge to the East wind's power. For a few days, the East wind is strong enough to follow the ancient Lake Missoula bursts up the Willamette river and into the giant Willamette valley, diverting the onshore flow from the Pacific further south, and trapping all those particulates between the Coast Range and Cascades in a stagnating inversion. We receive delightful sunshine but wallow in the exhalations of industry. And it's not just the particulates that science can see: the stagnant air advisories should be amended to include warnings of reactionary culture, flowing from the stoic farmers through the charged city of Portland. The valley dwellers go manic with the descending sun rays, heading outdoors, staying up too late, and generally adopting Per Hansa's Scandinavian madness--all the while knowing something is afoul. The malaise of middle Oregon farmland creeps into the collective unconscious, and thousands cry out: "Enough. Now is not the time or place. Bring back what is comfortable. What is expected. What is necessary for survival. Give us back our conservative: make it rain."

The sun disappeared behind a curtain of grey today. The moss is no longer crying out. The rhythm of February life has returned, first with a few drip-drops, soon with a staccatissimo deluge. Play on nature.

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Old 02-14-2011, 03:54 PM
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The week 9 update is here. I snipped a small sample from each plant to dry and test next week. Two plants have an orange-citrus-funk mixed with good aftershave (#2 and #4), two more have a fantastic pine-lime smell (#1 and #5) more on this in a second), and the other five are varying levels of spice--this should start maturing more in the coming weeks. When I grew SSH a couple years ago, I only ended up with two females out of 18 seeds; one was in the orange-citrus-funk family (big yields, beautiful buds, memorable high) and the other smelled IDENTICAL to the two pine-lime females from this NH batch. I'm shocked by the similarities in aroma between the SSH females and half of the NH--it should be expected I guess, but it's still pretty cool.

I had a wave of fear and apprehension hit me when I smelled the pine-lime phenos this morning; I didn't keep the SSH female with the similar smell, though it was the smoothest smoke I've ever inhaled. The smell, taste, and smoke were exotic, but every session put me completely over the edge (sometimes good, usually bad, but always a mentally/emotionally taxing experience). I came to fear that plant for it's raw power. It will be interesting to see if there is concordance between smell and trip.
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Old 02-15-2011, 12:33 AM
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hahahah..wish i could find a plant i was scared of due to its pure power...you have inspired me to buy atleast one pack of each: NH, ssh, and mango bc i hear nothing but great things about it
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Old 02-21-2011, 07:14 PM
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Default Week 10: To Balance. Cheers.

Been smoking samples all week; fantastic high, unique flavors, but not quite peak potency yet. I wish I had enough to smoke Nev's Haze each session...my favorite looker (attachment #1 and #2) smokes similarly to a "Western Winds" female I used to keep (pretty obvious what that line is derived from, eh?), but stronger flavor; it's a cedar funk smoke, clear high but occasionally disorienting, and comes with an indica-dominant plant structure (very short, close internodes) and stringy foxtail buds. Love it. When you smoke it, have your walking shoes on because you're going on a journey (see attached Jung note).

The plants are finally starting to signal an end--some fan leaves are dropping off, resin heads are turning opaque silver en masse, and the buds are swelling. The quicker plants have turned their pistils orange and bulked up in the last week, while the ultra-distance runners are still throwing new flowers each day; I'll let them go until the resin looks right or environmental conditions force me to take them down.

Don't know if it was my current location in life or the Haze, but I required some Jung to pull back from the depths this week (The Red Book: pg. 238):

Take note of what the ancients taught us in images: madness is divine. But because the ancients lived this image concretely in events, it became a deception for us, since we became masters of the reality of the world. It is unquestionable: if you enter into the world of the soul, you are like a madman, and a doctor would consider you to be sick. What I say here can be seen as sickness, but no one can see it as sickness more than I do.

This is how I overcame madness. If you do not know what divine madness is, suspend judgement and wait for the fruits. But know that there is a divine madness which is nothing other than the overpowering of the spirit of this time through the spirit of the depths. Speak then of sick delusion when the spirit of the depths can no longer stay down and forces a man to speak in tongues instead of in human speech, and makes him believe that he himself is the spirit of the depths. But also speak of sick delusion when the spirit of this time does not leave a man and forces him to see only the surface, to deny the spirit of the depths and to take himself for the spirit of the times. The spirit of this time is ungodly, the spirit of the depths is ungodly, balance is godly.
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Old 02-22-2011, 08:52 PM
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... The smell, taste, and smoke were exotic, but every session put me completely over the edge (sometimes good, usually bad, but always a mentally/emotionally taxing experience). I came to fear that plant for it's raw power. It will be interesting to see if there is concordance between smell and trip.
I can really appreciate this description. As I was doing the smoke report for my La Niña (Mullumbimby Madness x Black Widow) thread, this is EXACTLY how I felt. Especially the mentally/emotionally taxing part. I didn't want the review to sound negative but I think it's important we always report the truth as accurately as possible without embellishment. I wonder how much of this type of experience relates to the individual's tolerance to haze or sativa varieties in general? What I found to be a mentally overwhelming smoke might be perfect to those with a high tolerance for sativas. Most of my smoking life, I have smoked indica dominant hybrids but perhaps after a year or so of smoking sativa's I would come back to this strain and have an entirely different experience.

Anyways, enough rambling. Keep up the great work and keep pouring your thoughts into this thread. It's a breath of fresh air!
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Old 02-23-2011, 12:57 PM
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Hello socioecologist,

I love your writing style, it makes me think I'm missing a large portion of my vocabulary.

I just read yer thread here and it's given me some inspiration to obtain some of these genetics sooner rather than later. IDK if I can handle the flower times of the NH but I've got my eye on the MHz and the SSH for future purchase.

Your pics are great too. Pics don't do a whole lot for me but I do like looking at em and dreaming. Keep up the great work man! Subscribed as well!


Also your descriptions of the "George has me wanting to get back up there again. I've been in a much drier portion of the country for a while now and would like to get back to some humid air and squishy forest floors.
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