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Old 04-16-2018, 08:53 PM
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Grail widow looks fantastic, what is it and where can i get some?
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Old 04-16-2018, 09:21 PM
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Pm shanti or Simone
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Old 04-16-2018, 09:40 PM
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I agree with you the plant dis-similarities could be due to the outcrossed GW vs the more inbred NHM. But I still think they are different moms. Another big difference in the plants is the rate of occurrence of intersex traits: 3/4 GW plants vs 1:3 NHM plants. Suggests to me the GW mom is a bit wilder, more feral.
Yes, certainly they could have different Mom's. The potential number of different NevHaze F1s that Shanti holds is limited only by the number of Nevil's Haze seed he kept hold of from the 90s. I assume he had plenty.
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Old 04-18-2018, 02:55 AM
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IIRC, CannaFish revealed to us in a recent thread that the father of NHM is not a mango haze male but rather the mango male, a Nl5xHzC that is a male sibling from the same large selection run Nevil and Shanti did that found Nl5xHzC #122, the mango haze mother. That's how I understand it at least.

I agree with you the plant dis-similarities could be due to the outcrossed GW vs the more inbred NHM. But I still think they are different moms. Another big difference in the plants is the rate of occurrence of intersex traits: 3/4 GW plants vs 1:3 NHM plants. Suggests to me the GW mom is a bit wilder, more feral.
I did say that but I don't necessarily think its the correct info. There is almost always confusion when Shantibaba talks specific pedigrees or plants.

I don't think the male was from the same run that Nevil found the 2 famous keepers. From my perspective, Shanti has not put out enough information to make a exact pedigree of mango haze. When I piece together all the old posts... to me it seems like mango haze came from selections of old NL5/hz122 x Sk/hz seed bred by Nevil.
Shanti obtained these seeds the same time as the G13Skunks. He then bred this cross several generations. Does he backcross to the NL5HZ122 mango female?? I have MangHZ, MangoHZ inbred, Nevils HZ Mango, Nevils Haze and Grail Widow and I'm curious of their exact relations.

This post shows that Shanti selected the parent plants for mango haze, separate from the 122 plant...

"Mango haze has both a female and a male side as it came out of an old batch of seed and both were selected by me in 2001 the same time as G13sk seed was also germinated from old seed.The MH female known as 122 selected at the same time as SSH came from a plant selection of Nevil`s around 1996-7."
https://www.mrnice.nl/forum/165890-post33.html

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Old 04-30-2018, 02:49 PM
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At 12.5 weeks I harvested GW3, the GW7 seed plant and half of the clone, and the biggest of 4 colas from NHM3. Yesterday, at 99 days, I chopped everything else. Here are some thoughts on these plants.

GW2 was chopped at 14 weeks and I haven't smoked any since a 10-week sample, which I found to be strong but muddled high, so the jury is out on the effect of GW2 for a few more weeks while it dries and cures. It threw a fair number of nanners from F60 onward but that may be my environment. It swelled up massively as I had hoped, and produced a couple 2-liter-bottle-sized colas. Very resinous...probably the frostiest plant of the bunch.

GW3 was the star of the show IME. She won me the Bud of the Month (thanks, guys!) with her beautiful stacked calyxes and sativa structure. Despite the airy sparse sativa bud structure GW3 yielded pretty well, as I got 93 g from the seed plant. The effect is off the charts good. One toke in the AM and I'm like a tweaker all day getting shit done. Give it 5 hours and it'll eventually wear off with a super easy come down. If you toke all day at a heavier dose it'll eventually catch up with you and drag you down like any weed will, but if you moderate your dose the effects are clear headed, social, euphoric and energizing. I'll be careful about letting inexperienced tokers share this stuff, because I've detected hints of anxiety. Here's an interesting example: I was in a car and had just taken two tokes for our long drive. It was a beautiful spring day with a crystal clear azure sky, and I put on my Maui Jim sunglasses. As you know, polarized sunglasses increase the chroma of the colors we see, and just as I put them on we were passed by a new red pickup truck. The brilliant red color of that truck in the bright sun against the blue sky and green grass actually startled me. I've never been startled by a color before, and it's a pretty fucking cool effect I think. At higher doses it could be shamanic. I haven't explored that yet. This sample I smoked was a 10-week sample; it'll be interesting to see the difference in the GW3 that I took at 12.5 weeks. It's all jarred up and curing right now and the buds were fairly easy to trim and are so beautiful and unique looking! Tiny trichs, super sticky, and little chains of frosty calzxes with very little leaf. Not much in the trim bin either, but what's there is extremely frosty and will make nice hash.

GW7 yielded really well...I got 180 g from the seed plant alone. It's definitely the most widow influenced, with a strong initial rush after a toke, a good strong high but not as long lasting as GW3. bit of a sour, acrid smell up front with an incensy back end that translates into smoke that tastes good even before a proper cure. Smells funky, tastes good, really potent and the high is social and a bit trippy.

NHM2 has not been sampled yet but I've already discarded the clone because the yields were so low (I expect less than an ounce) and there's so much leaf on the buds. They are quite frosty and the smell is great, sweet haze, lime, pine, mango, floral.

NHM3 has a nice smell like NHM1 and the effect is potent, euphoric and clear-headed. Very nice weed to smoke and I'm really looking forward to the flavor after a proper cure. I'd love to explore the more sativa leaning plants in this line, but I didn't get one this grow.

This post has been brought to you by GW3 (the 10-week sample).
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not to get too sidetracked on off topic pedigree info,

but that quote up there by CF, from shanti, is really quite confusing.

all this time, we have been told that SSH and Mango Haze have the same father, (skunk x Haze C), just different mothers (NL5xHzC#1 also known as C5, and NL5xHzC#122).
shanti says everything is made just as it always was.
nevil selected the male he used for SSH.
here, shanti is saying he selected the male used for mango haze in 2001.
both cannot be correct.

unless he is talking about the mango haze inbred, which of course we realize would be inbred and not original f-1's of NL5HzC x SkunkHzC using plants both selected by nevil.

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Old 04-30-2018, 11:29 PM
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Nice report Marcus. Those Maui Jim glasses are that good! I can relate to being startled at looking at the sky lately while puffing on colombians and mexicans and looking through some polarized shades. I got to get me a hammock this summer. Also noticing the synchronicity of certain moments in time and these extra deep transcendental thoughts and solutions that are so hard to retain because they encompass previously unknown thoughts and imagery. Man I'm baked.

Mr. Hairy - What makes you think NL5Hz#122 is the seed production mother of Mango Haze? I am guessing that Mango Haze is a nl5hz x skhz cross then bred for several generations. Maybe a backcross? not a straight up f1 of nlhz x skhz. But really IDK. I try not to guess as far as what contains haze A and or C. I've read too much conflicting information from Shanti and from members as far as what contains and what it passes on.
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Awesome report man, makes me want to open my straw.. hope 2 doesn't cure and smoke how it sounds like it's possibly going to, the smoke you've been searching your smoking life for lol
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Old 05-01-2018, 11:55 AM
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well, we have always been told SSH and Mango Haze are like sister strains.
the mothers are sisters and they share the same dad.
we have been told mango haze is (NL5hzC122) x (Skunk x HzC)
that would mean to me that 122 is the mother.
otherwise, why not say mango originally came from (NL5hzC122) x (Skunk x HzC) and then was inbred, if that is what really happened?
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Old 05-01-2018, 06:25 PM
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A bird in hand...

In this case, NHM bottled 11/17. Not as hard hitting as 6/16 NL5/Hz but euphoric, clear, energetic. Happy stuff, tho not as amnesia inducing as the NL5/Hz. It is my go to right now. Can I be absolutely sure of the derivation? No one can. I can tell you that it’s good shit as far as I’m concerned. Absolute best shit? According to who, what, where, when? Been smoking fairly consistently since the early sixties. Do I believe the tyros and pseudo breeders who came on the scene in the last 15 years telling me what it was like 40 years ago? Nope. It all comes and goes.
IMJ, anyone who can’t enjoy this time of incredible abundance because they are hung up on stories of the “more awesome” past which is filled with lies and hubris is a fool in my book. Old rastafari saying, “Lets smoke this shit!”

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