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Old 02-05-2017, 04:20 PM
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Hello all

So far out of 12 planted

7 have sprouted and are under the 600 HPS 12/12

2 have popped up but still have the seeds full on the head.

3 haven't popped up yet.

I will be ordering a 1000 watt on Friday. Thinking about this one 1000W BUNDLE KIT STAGE 7

Anyone have any suggestions for 1000 watt cooled systems?

First things first. I wouldn't suggest starting seeds under 600w hps. It's more powerful than you need. I'd suggest T5 for that. They can be closer to the plants and they won't get as tall as yours are looking. No harm is being done but NH can get tall real fast. So you'll want to read up on topping, super cropping, or lst method.

As far as the new light goes. I'd suggest looking in to a CMH they run on less energy and I'm having the same if not better results. To each his own. But I recently bought 3 of these to replace 2 600 watt MH/HPS. They cost a bit more to start but beyond electricity you'll also save on bulbs. These bulbs last much much much longer! If I didn't have several hundred bucks worth of bulbs in the closet I'd be buying more of the CMH.
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Old 02-05-2017, 04:35 PM
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First things first. I wouldn't suggest starting seeds under 600w hps. It's more powerful than you need. I'd suggest T5 for that. They can be closer to the plants and they won't get as tall as yours are looking. No harm is being done but NH can get tall real fast. So you'll want to read up on topping, super cropping, or lst method.

As far as the new light goes. I'd suggest looking in to a CMH they run on less energy and I'm having the same if not better results. To each his own. But I recently bought 3 of these to replace 2 600 watt MH/HPS. They cost a bit more to start but beyond electricity you'll also save on bulbs. These bulbs last much much much longer! If I didn't have several hundred bucks worth of bulbs in the closet I'd be buying more of the CMH.
Goldberg,

Thanks for advise on CMH I'm going to check this out.

As far as the HPS on the seeds, they sprouted under a T5 this pic was taken last night. They are currently in my flower room with other plants. I am not looking to veg just a 12/12 for pheno hunt purposes. They will be put in bigger pots next week.

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if you are planning on using 1000W , there is no alternative to a double ended system, no matter if a complete system like gavita, or a remote system like lumatek and their double ended reflector
those were just 2 examples, today any major company has double ended toys in their portfolio


aside from that, how do you wanna pheno hunt while doing 12/12 from seed, plz understand that those cuttings wont be good , compared to the same ones growing on 18h on ...
hormones will fuck up your planned hunting success if you dont prolong your vegi light hours
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if you are planning on using 1000W , there is no alternative to a double ended system, no matter if a complete system like gavita, or a remote system like lumatek and their double ended reflector
those were just 2 examples, today any major company has double ended toys in their portfolio


aside from that, how do you wanna pheno hunt while doing 12/12 from seed, plz understand that those cuttings wont be good , compared to the same ones growing on 18h on ...
hormones will fuck up your planned hunting success if you dont prolong your vegi light hours
I would have mentioned those DE but most people don't have the height required to run those. I know I don't!
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Old 02-06-2017, 02:34 AM
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if you are planning on using 1000W , there is no alternative to a double ended system, no matter if a complete system like gavita, or a remote system like lumatek and their double ended reflector
those were just 2 examples, today any major company has double ended toys in their portfolio


aside from that, how do you wanna pheno hunt while doing 12/12 from seed, plz understand that those cuttings wont be good , compared to the same ones growing on 18h on ...
hormones will fuck up your planned hunting success if you dont prolong your vegi light hours
What's better about double ended? Pros and cons?

Good info about 12/12 seed. I've decided to take cuttings once they are sexed and then flower the cuttings and put mothers back to veg.
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What's better about double ended? Pros and cons?

Good info about 12/12 seed. I've decided to take cuttings once they are sexed and then flower the cuttings and put mothers back to veg.
I'll let someone who's used them to talk about it. But when I was going to try a new light system I was told not to consider them unless I had 12 foot ceilings. But I don't even have 7.5 feet. So even if that's over stating it I wasn't going to risk it with that huge of shortage.
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im oldschool, which means im blasting 600W on a 1X1m tent, havin a 1,2X1,2m tent means to me : 1000W for that tent, to get the same bud structure quality as with 600W on 1X1m

for those havin problems with watts and/or height there are 750W DE systems, they should run just fine inside a 1,2X1,2m tent which is 2meters high

DE bulbs have higher photon flux, are colder than single ended bulbs (therefor im not sure about the info you got, i work also in hydro store and sellin hardware to growers is what i do for living) and all customers who went DE are amazed with the results, especially when you think of solistek, who have DE bulbs: 2000K 4000K 6000K and 10000K

also there is a new DE bulb , which consists of 2 X 315 CMH , so its a 630W DE CMH WIN WIN WIN !!!

when height and/or heat is an issue, there is only LED left, and of course all other "old" systems like fluros and therelike

7,5 feet is more than 2 meters height, could work with 1000W , but 750W is going to be spot on

also height is a question of how many bulbs you wanna drive, if you have a multiple room with lots of litghs, height is not an issue, with only 1 bulb tho ... it would be wise to invest into a big fan , there is this rule of thumb for 100W of light you need 100m/h of air extraction, so that heat wont build up, this rule of thumb is ment for tents and cabinets, if you got an open space, you can easily half that number , also if your growing area is at a cooler place like in the cellar, its easier to cool that if its on a south side below the roof, there you would need more iar "power"
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Old 02-07-2017, 12:26 AM
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im oldschool, which means im blasting 600W on a 1X1m tent, havin a 1,2X1,2m tent means to me : 1000W for that tent, to get the same bud structure quality as with 600W on 1X1m

for those havin problems with watts and/or height there are 750W DE systems, they should run just fine inside a 1,2X1,2m tent which is 2meters high

DE bulbs have higher photon flux, are colder than single ended bulbs (therefor im not sure about the info you got, i work also in hydro store and sellin hardware to growers is what i do for living) and all customers who went DE are amazed with the results, especially when you think of solistek, who have DE bulbs: 2000K 4000K 6000K and 10000K

also there is a new DE bulb , which consists of 2 X 315 CMH , so its a 630W DE CMH WIN WIN WIN !!!

when height and/or heat is an issue, there is only LED left, and of course all other "old" systems like fluros and therelike

7,5 feet is more than 2 meters height, could work with 1000W , but 750W is going to be spot on

also height is a question of how many bulbs you wanna drive, if you have a multiple room with lots of litghs, height is not an issue, with only 1 bulb tho ... it would be wise to invest into a big fan , there is this rule of thumb for 100W of light you need 100m/h of air extraction, so that heat wont build up, this rule of thumb is ment for tents and cabinets, if you got an open space, you can easily half that number , also if your growing area is at a cooler place like in the cellar, its easier to cool that if its on a south side below the roof, there you would need more iar "power"
Deran,

Thanks for your post, in the past I have been running a 400+ 600 watt HPS.

Not a big fan of the 400 watt buds and power source can't handle two 600s which is why I'm switching to a 1000 watt HPS.

Just checked out prices for CMH lighting and the prices are outta my range.
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Old 02-10-2017, 01:06 AM
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So far 9 out of 12 have sprouted and are under the 600 watt in solo cups.

I have ordered the 1000 watt and should be here in about a week.

Once the plants are sexed I will take clones from each plant flower the clones and put others back to veg.
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Cool Wish you well, no problem with the Nevilles :)

Hi 👋 good luck with everything and will stop in from time to time as Nevilles has been my best smoke to date other than Afghan x Haze is the most incredible smoke I can attest to.

NH can creep on you in a very serious way and I mean Serious euphoria with certain phenos that will give you a Whitey while your enjoying the euphoria and before you know it your puking your guts out asking God ? Please Please help me and I promise never to touch it again 🙈 Not, enjoy your future harvest it will be very rewarding with the selected pheno.

Great start !

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