Grover's 100% organic Mr Nice Seed's Nevil's Haze from selected clone

[The Grey Man]

Originally Posted by weedtrunk

Yo Grover dude that's the shits bomb, I have been reading this and its amazing got me really thinking about the organic side of things. As a novice i have never really thought about not using ferts and chems as i am not in to harsh chemicals or fertilizes so thanks mate i keep that in mind.

Just a few question's mate. You used miracle gro soil dose that still come under the "organic" side of things bit obvious i no your saying 100% so it is right ? Any ferts ? just got me a bit confused just because i always fort miracle gro has strong ferts bit of the "rocker fuel" type ? I no this is the soil not the actual miracle gro feed but i still fort that it would have some sort of strong feed in there.

And you mentioned your not using a waste full water filters like RO i always fort that was the way to go but rain water, might be a bit stupid but what ph is rain water ? Dose it come down to where you are on the globe, i no there's a bit to it carbon dioxide reacts with it to make it to a ph around 5 to 6 right ? and if pH is below 7, the water is acidic and if above 7 it is alkaline ? I live in England like your self so plenty of rain. What`s the ph of the water you collect ? So would you advice a RO for me or to collect rain water ?

They look good man day 23 and have they have only received rain water go's to show that it works they look healthy and there a nice size how tall will they get in total will they be larger because of the large spaces between internodes as well ? Will this method reduce yield ? What will they produce in dry weight ?

But loving you work mate keep it up. sorry as well bit high so if any mistakes my bad peace.

yes, you're right. I named the thread before I chose that soil and it is enriched with Miracle-Gro, which is not organic. Also, the smallest amount of perlite in the 7.5lts of dutch soil I had leftover is not organic but waste not want not. It was left-over and unused otherwise...

Still, don't let that detract from the grow style. You can easily find an organic compost that you like or just use Miracle-Gro. No one from the organic society will come and judge you... I went for Miracle Gro because where I am there is loads of it on offer at the moment. £4 for 50 litres. For interest, I am finding it to be great soil. No complaints at all. The Miracle Gro itself is slow release so the EC of the soil is still nice and steady and not high, like with All-Mix.

Sorry about the confusion.

[The Grey Man]

As long as the pH of your soil is good then rain water is good. The same applies for pure RO (as far as pH is concerned.) In essence, the soil 'buffers' the pH of the rain water.

This method would work just as well with pure RO water as with rain water but rain water is far more ecologically friendly and easier to collect in most cases.

Rain water is actually very mildly acidic but there is no where near enough acid in there to change the pH of your soil at all.

[The Grey Man]

This particular cut is unusual for the strain as it starts really flowering really early and it also stops growing soon after flowering starts, whereas some plants of this strain seemed to keep growing for a while after flowering started.

This one won't be much more than 5 ft and next time I grow her I will veg her for a but longer as I don't think that she is quite big enough for my liking.
Nev's Haze plants can easily reach 7ft, even when flowered with NO vegging time at all. This one is unusual, which is why I have kept her on for a second grows.

The long internode spaces are not a result of the growing technique so much as a genetic trait of the Nev's Haze line. Many sativas grow like this. It does limit the overall yield a lot .

At the end of the day, yield is not always the grower's prime motivation, especially with a strain like this.

I didn't mention the internode spacing because it was good, rather because it is a trait that other growers may want to know about. It is nice to know what you are getting into with a plant like this.
Again, sorry for any confusion.

[weedtrunk]

Thanks for clearing that up for me i was just wondering that's all.

I have smoked nevs haze before a few times its a really nice strain it would be good to see what the difference is at the end if you do a smoke report that would be cool.

I will be keeping a eye on this thread as your work is top quality dude.

I might think about miracle gro soil as so cheap and if it works then no need for dutch soil.

Thanks for the reply

[Betterhaff]

Hello Grey Man,

About that Miracle Grow, I noticed the bag said “enriched compost”. Does it have any perlite in it? I’ve never seen it in the states although I’ve never really looked for it, maybe it’s a UK thing. What you see the most of here is potting soil and garden soil with ferts. My first thought was it would be too strong if used straight but it can’t be too hot if the NH seem to like it.

[The Grey Man]

Hey BH,

There is no perlite in this soil. It is enriched with something called Miracle-Gro which is a very well-known household fertiliser here in the UK. They are a well respected and long established company. It is a straight 7/7/7 but very slow release so it doesn't over-fertilise the soil. It just keeps the soil fertile for a few extra weeks, which with a 12 - 14 weaker is probably good. They look like little coloured balls in the soil.

I would prefer to find a 'non-enriched' soil and if I found it didn't feed my plant for quite long enough then enrich it myself with something organic like worm castings, (or use more soil!) but there was a lot of this soil going very cheap and it is top top quality. The added Miracle-Gro is a bit of a pain because it blows the 'organic' label away but it still means that you can use just water throughout the grow and the EC of the soil is still great - even for NH.
There is a local company to me, which do a fantastic 'organic cottagers compost' and if I hadn't got such a deal on the M.G. I would have used that instead. Still, MG works just great.
I honestly don't know what they are playing at with those Dutch 'specialist cannabis' soils sometimes - they just don't seem fit for purpose and there are some fantastic soils out there at a fraction of the price which actually work really well, like Miracle-Gro Enriched and Floragard Bloomenard (in Europe.) Apologies if I spelt this wrong - it's been years since I used it.
Potting soil is EXACTLY what you are looking for. The best way to tell if it is any good is by using it. Added fertilisers aren't a problem so long as they haven't gone overboard and you watch out for the organic thing, if that is what you are into. The plant NEEDS the soil to provide it with enough food, after all.

Using mycorrhizae bring the soil to life and really helps the plant 'feed itself' which means that you don't need to feed it. This can be used in most soils and is usually spread around the roots, though some is soluble and the are others that want to be mixes in with the soil. You can't use any water which contains chlorine or chloramine, though, as this kills the soil life. Leaving the water to 'air' for a day or so will apparently get rid of the chlorine but I don't think it would get rid of the chloramine at all (that's whey they use it - it is hard to get rid of..) which is why I suggest using rain water.

I don't know if you can get Miracle Gro soils in the States but I bet there are some great composts over there. Start with a trusted, established company- they will almost certainly not contain any bugs and should have food enough for 3 weeks (in a 10 litre pot.) You will know good quality compost when you see it - it should be soft and smell great and not contain crap and have great drainage and structure. You'll know.
Personally I hate perlite now. If you must use it then it doesn't need to be at a rate of any more than 2 or 3%
Experiment, use the biggest pots you can - 10 litres works for 2 or 3 weeks but you'll need MUCH more time than that! Fill the pot right up to the top, amend the soil with organic food if you have to. (Warning about bat poo, though - I found it very hard to use without burning the plants. Probably best avoided, except in TINY amounts..)

I hope this helps.

[yowser]

wow, not often you hear anyone say anything good about MG, soil or ferts, it is in canada and the states, but most cannabis growers avoid it like the plague

[The Grey Man]

Originally Posted by yowser

wow, not often you hear anyone say anything good about MG, soil or ferts, it is in canada and the states, but most cannabis growers avoid it like the plague

I have no idea if the MG you get in Canada or USA is the same as over here in the UK but I doubt it very much. All household compost in EC is regulated to a good standard. I'm not sure that it is regulated in the same way over there. I don't use Miracle-Gro fertilisers as they is not perfect for mj but added 7/7/7 in your soil shouldn't hurt your plants at all (as long as it is in the correct amount)

As far as avoiding it like the plague - I am not a Miracle Gro salesman! Use whatever you find works best but I have no complaints whatsoever about this soil so far. I will post photos of my grow. Judge for yourself...

Have you actually used it yourself? If so then your opinion is very useful. (If not then very much the opposite, I suppose.)

It would be good if you explained why you don't like it. I have only just started to use it but as you can see by the photos, so far so good. Even with Nev's Haze...the world's fussiest plant!

If it all goes horribly wrong at any point you will see from this log and I will happily agree with you.

BTW they also do a potting compost which is not enriched and also seems to work fine (at least for the initial vegging period.) It is not on offer round here, though..

[The Grey Man]

Once the great local offer for this soil is over I will try to find an organic alternative to test (such as the one I mentioned earlier..), though.

If it isn't as good then I will happily go back to Miracle-Gro, if it works. I am no snob and this stuff is 1/3rd the price of dutch mud round here and gives me far far better results.

What more can I say?

[The Grey Man]

I have been informed that there is something called Fox Farms in the States which will work really well but I don't know what it is as I have never used it (or grown in the States, for that matter, though I spend some time there and smoked much bud, hehe.)

Personally, I have much respect for US growers and am going through a real love for all Americans and their genetics and cannabis culture right now. They are always a step ahead, it seems.. I do listen to the advice coming out of that continent with great interest.

Hats off to all you guys. I love you. And your Trainwreck, OG and Purples!