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Old 09-06-2008, 07:02 PM
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Unhappy Cluster Headaches

Well the time is here. For the last few years I've been getting these INTENSE migraines like clockwork. I don't get them all year, until about now. In years past, I have gotten 1-2 intense headaches, usually at appx the same time of day, for a period of ~4-6wks.

I was told that they are migraines, and I tried imitrex. It works ~20% of the time in suppressing the oncoming headache. That's not good enough for a $40 injection to the back of my neck. I did some research, and discovered that I actually have Cluster Headaches, not migraines. They are similar in the fact that they both feel like someone kicked you once in the eyesocket, and once in the side/back of the head with a steel toe shoe. Not like kicking a fieldgoal, but kicking you like they don't like you.

Cluster headaches, however are more centered on the 'point' of pain. Less sensitivity to light and sound, little to no nausea. Sufferers generally fall into 1 of 2 cat's.

1. Gets an intense headache every day at the same time ALL YEAR. (~10%)
2. Gets an intense headache every day at the same time just certain times per year. For most sufferers it's when the days start to get shorter quickly (sept-oct in the northern hemisphere)

I get mine in the fall. My only hope is to 'head them off'. ~50% of the time I can stop them from becoming 'full-blown'. I start by chugging more than a quart of water. This ensures that I'm not de-hydrated, and will lower my body temp a tick. If that works a little, I have some hot coffee, and eat. If the water doesn't do anything, I take 2 excedrins, with a bunch of iced coffee. Then I look for the pot that will burn the best (not too dry, not 'dank'). 2 individual green big hits. Sometimes, the pot is an INSTANT pressure release on my head. It works in ~10 seconds. Sometimes it doesn't work.

If the headache keeps coming after the coffee and weed, I have to start mental excercizes, breathing exercizes, and massage tech's on the side that the headache is on. For most cluster headache sufferers, the pain is on one side of their head only. After all of this, I still end up with ~ a headache daily. I get 2 per day for the worst week. Sometimes the worst week signals the end of the 'cluster', sometimes not.

If they go full-blown, the only treatment is for me to eat as heavy of a narcotic as I can stomach, and curl up with the dogs to whimper myself to sleep. 20 minutes of sleep can knock them out, but if I can't fall asleep, they have gone for over 3 hours before I passed out.

I am a self-proclaimed tough guy. I'm not angry or a fighter, or anything like that, lol. But pain is not a big deal to me. I truly believe that MOST pain can be worked around/ignored if you recognize the source of the pain, then focus on it, and control your body (breathing, heartrate, etc..). I have broken plenty of bones, and been stabbed, and had kidney stones, and broken my skull a few times (2x in the back at what used to be the 'point', and my cheekbone 1x, but it's still my skull) which is what I figgure gave me these headaches in the first place. The only pain that I have experienced that is similar in it's raw intensity was after a semi-botched wisdom tooth extraction. The hour between when the novocaine wore off, and the (extra) perc's kicked in was rough. But I sometimes wake up with these headaches, which makes me USELESS until ~8pm.

When I get these, I actually start to make deals with God, whimpers, and long cry-moans with a slow vibration in my chest help somewhat. I go fetal position with a thin blanket draped over top. Bag of ice on my eye, and a hot pack on my back/neck/head. They are BRUTAL, I have passed out from the intense rushing pain, so I know that they are at my 'pain threshold'.

So, if you want more on cluster headaches, do a google search. ~10% of chronic migraine sufferers are probably 'clusterheads'.

I have a few pretty strong strains of dank coming up. I have 2 different cuts of SSH, 2+ different cuts of SuperSpice (spice x ssh), 3 cuts of Shit, 2 cuts of Spice, 1 cut of MangoWidow, 1 cut of Orange Diesel, and 4 Aroura B seedplants (nl x sk, sativa dom, flying dutchmen) that I will be smoking on over the next few weeks. I will try ANYTHING to get rid of the pain, so in the name of science, I will be smoking each, and let you guys know.

I am looking for a strain to lift the pressure off of the big nerve that runs down my jaw, around my temple,and ends up right at the crook between eyesocket, nose, and forehead. When weed works, this is where the magic happens. If I find a strain that will kill the pain itself, great, but I don't expect that. I'm also going to make hashes and foods. I don't think that I have ever gotten a headache with a decent amount of edibles in me.

Wish me luck, lol.
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Old 09-06-2008, 07:25 PM
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thats not good m8,

but what you are now gonna try. "finding" a cure I wish you well all in the name of science!. I would recommend the strongest indica you can find and let her go really amber?.

good luck! b

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Old 09-06-2008, 08:16 PM
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magic mushrooms 10-20 a day will keep the Head aches away from what i have read.
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Old 09-06-2008, 09:22 PM
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Thanks for stoppin in guys. I do think that there are certain strains/cuts that will relieve the pressure from that nerve, thus preventing the 'full-blown' headache. I only say that because when weed does work, it is like a miracle. 10 seconds, and no pain. It's not a more is better thing either. If 2 hits of green doesn't work, 20 won't.

Nut, I've heard GREAT things about trips in the weeks leading up to a cluster (period of time that the headaches come). They are said to upset the body's biomechanical clock and 'skip' the cluster. I ate mushrooms last ~Oct, and I didn't get a headache that night (although I don't typically get them at night anyway)or the next day, but I did get them for a wk or so after. I used to LOVE tripping, but eating the mushies last time just made me feel old, lol. "I used to like this..." I wanted to get some mushies for a big trip this year, but it honestly slipped my mind past the time needed to grow em, and I couldn't find them the last 2 wks. I knew once I missed the 'grow window' that I would have a hard time getting them.

Ima try smoking different weed strains, and if I get a winner, I'll hold it FOREVER, lol. Oxygen therapy is said to be effective, but I couldn't get a 'high-flow' mask. Fukkin country. I can wander into an ER, and get some opiates for the pain, but the doc won't give me the high flow OXYGEN scrip.

"Didn't the Imitrex work? How bout the prednizone?"
"Nope. water, excedrin, coffee, weed, percoset. In that order, I'd like to try the O2 therapy."
"Sounds good, but I can't reccommend that mask/bottle..."
"But the lower flow treatments seem mostly like a waste of time and money."
"So you don't want the O2 therapy..."
"Nope. Gonna try different weed. Bye."

Think happy thoughts, It's POURING with no wind!!!
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Old 09-06-2008, 09:37 PM
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you are not supposed take enough to trip LOL http://www.maps.org/research/cluster/psilo-lsd/

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LSD & Psilocybin Research for Cluster Headache Treatment
MAPS is developing research into the use of psilocybin and LSD in the treatment of cluster headaches. Cluster headaches are a rare, severely painful form of headache that is related to but different from the more common migraine. Dr. Peter Goadsby, the world's leading researcher on cluster headaches, has commented, "The pain of a cluster headache is worse than natural childbirth or even amputation without anesthetic." The pain of a cluster headache commences quickly, without warning, and reaches a crescendo within 2 to 15 minutes. It is often excruciating in intensity, and is deep, nonfluctuating, and explosive in quality. People may have episodic or chronic cluster headaches; currently, this research focuses on episodic cluster headaches. Episodic cluster headaches occur periodically, often occurring at the same time each year. During a cycle, a person with episodic cluster headaches will experience an average of one to three headaches per day, with frequency ranging from one headache every other day to eight per day.

Conventional treatments include treatments for stopping headache pain as it occurs (abortives), and treatments that reduce the occurrence or re-occurrence of cluster headaches (prophylaxis). Abortive treatments include Imitrex (sumatriptan) and other triptans, non-psychedelic ergotamines, and pure oxygen, and prophylaxes include the ergotamine methysergide, lithium (used to treat bipolar affective disorder) and calcium channel blockers (medication used to treat high blood pressure). Up to 30% of people with cluster headaches cannot prevent headaches from occurring with conventional prophylactic treatments, and because there are limits on the number of daily doses of triptans for treating headaches as they occur, some people may not be able to stop every headache they have once it occurs. As well, use of abortive and preventive medications has risks (for instance, a monthly blood test for serum lithium levels is required when taking lithium), and some cluster headache sufferers report that prophylaxes can "wear out" over time.

Case reports suggest that ingesting psilocybin (as through psilocybin-containing mushrooms) or LSD can reduce cluster headache pain and, more significantly, can inerrupt cluster headache cycles so that no more headaches will occur. MAPS is supporting John Halpern MD and Andrew Sewell MD in analyzing and organizing responses to a questionnaire posted on www.clusterbusters.com, an organization run by and for people with cluster headaches and supporting the use of psilocybin, LSD and other related substances as treatments for cluster headaches. A survey is also on the Vaults of Erowid for people who have used psychedelics in the treatment of cluster headaches and migraines. Data from both surveys will be used by John H. Halpern MD and Andrew Sewell MD in developing a research study directly investigating psilocybin and LSD as a potential abortive and prophylactic (cycle-interrupting) treatment for cluster headaches. Initially, this research will focus on studying people with episodic cluster headaches; future research may include people with episodic and chronic cluster headaches.

Drs. Halpern and Sewell are currently developing a randomized, dose-response study of psilocybin and LSD in people with episodic cluster headaches. If approved by the McLean IRB and the FDA, this research study will take place at McLean Hospital, a psychiatric facility and research hospital affiliated with Harvard Medical School. The investigators are currently working on designing a pilot study wherein people will be assigned to receive low or higher doses of psilocybin or LSD to see whether these substances will interrupt an ongoing cluster headache cycle. If study results are promising, then further research studies will be designed and conducted. We hope that this research program will lead to psilocybin and LSD becoming legal, prescription treatments for the interruption of cluster headaches and cluster headache cycles.

Currently, there is no legal research with LSD in humans taking place in the world, and we hope that this will be the first study to renew human research with LSD.

Marsha and David Weil have donated $50,000 for this research effort, Joseph Leonard has donated $2,000 and the Organization for Understanding Cluster Headache (OUCH) has donated $1000. An estimated $107,000 in addition is being sought to support this clinical trial.

Donations to support research on psilocybin and LSD as cluster headache treatments are needed, MAPS will allocate 100% of any donation specifically restricted to this study. People who donate $100.00 or more to the Cluster Headache Research project at Harvard Medical School can receive necklace, featuring a mushroom-shaped pendant. To receive a a free necklace, make a donation here at MAPS and write Clusterbusters to confirm the donation, along with information on your shipping address. People can also help support this research by purchasing a necklace directly from Clusterbusters. Visit the ClusterBusters website for more details.
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Old 09-06-2008, 10:39 PM
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Yo nut. That site and http://www.clusterheadaches.com/ 'diagnosed' me. I was in my early twenties when I started getting them as an adult. I got bad headaches as a kid, but I don't remember if they were cluser/migraines. My headaches started out as migraines btw. All over my head, sometimes neck would 'lock up' in the back. Throwing up, whatever. I thought that I had a tumor until I found these 2 sites last fall. The message board on clusterheadaches.com has been a BIG help. People who treat with trips seem to have the best success with hard trips just prior to the cycle.

It will be a true test of the 'pain relief' of edibles come the end of the month.

EDIT - Uh, I'll be cooking 2moro morning, as there IS a Mets/Phillies double header 2moro. Trim from SSH5, iffy, and MW.

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Old 09-06-2008, 11:01 PM
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we cant grow weed here, but magic mushrooms grow in our gardens in the millions iv seen liberty caps the size of golf umbrella's LOL

hope you find something that works for you barletta
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Old 09-06-2008, 11:17 PM
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Thanks, dood. Listen, it is still largely mind over matter. I saw a tv sports reporting show (espn sportcenter or espn360 for you guys in the US), and they showed this chick who has 'burning man syndrome'. She literally feels like her skin is on fire ALL the time. She was on the back of a bike, laid her leg on the pipe. The driver had to stop when he smelled the skin, and push her off. They asked her why she didn't pull her leg away, she said that she didn't notice... Anyway, she ran a fukkin 5hr marathon. Mind over matter. When it gets BAAAD, the last thought is: "It WILL end." That chick can't resort to that, and she is out living life. WORD.

I'm sure that I have SOMETHING in the garden that will help. I have crosses of just about everything that I have too, so if I find something that works well, I'll keep a cut (if possible) and run a bunch of seeds to finish ~august next year.

Hmmmm....Sog goes in June 20, out July20, cut (the first time) ~ August 20???
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Old 09-12-2008, 04:15 PM
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I haven't had anything like a cluster yet, but I woke up with a 'pre-cursor' headache today. A precursor is like a nagging, medium strength, 'normal' headache, but it is located in the same spots, and if I do nothing, most of the time, they hang around for a few hours, then EXPLODE in ~20 min.

I woke up a lil later than normal, rainy/foggy, 60 deg morning. Tried the water, no relief. Rubbed the nerves a lil, a lil relief. 3 big hits of MangoWidow, and I didn't feel the 'pressure release' that I have described previously, but I got all stoned, and went to tuck my oldman dog in the bed. After 2-3 minutes of petting him (first, then of course the other ones came), I noticed the headache completely gone.

So, it was the MW or the dogs today.
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Old 09-12-2008, 04:29 PM
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n1 barletta,

keep testing ofcourse in the name of science!. Be carefull of that strange stoned feelling?.lol.


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