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Smokin Moose 02-25-2013 11:32 PM

Do You Think Medical Marijuana Should Be Legalized for Dogs?
Do You Think Medical Marijuana Should Be Legalized for Dogs?

Cannabis relieves pain and suffering in dogs, but most vets want nothing to do with it. What do you think?

By Julia Szabo

Christine L. of Nevada misses her Rottweiler, Sampson, who passed away on November 20, 2012 of a rare form of blood cancer. "In 2010, between the vomiting and diarrhea, he was losing two pounds a day," she recalls. Unable to afford chemotherapy, she felt helpless watching her best friend waste away to 64 pounds, less than three quarters of his fighting weight.
Sampson, poster dog for the pain-relieving benefits of medical marijuana. Photo courtesy Christine Lan

Then Christine stumbled upon a controversial homemade herbal remedy that she credits with enormously improving her dog's quality of life. She's grateful that, in his final year, Sampson weighed in at a robust 106 pounds and lived free of the wracking pain that had haunted him. Whereas before Sampson had been too weak to walk, almost overnight he became a born-again youngster. "He was a puppy again, happy and playful," Christine recalls. "He'd trot around the house with his toys in his mouth, wanting to play fetch!"

The name of the controversial herbal remedy Sampson took? Cannabis.

Inspired by reports of medical marijuana helping human cancer patients, Christine started digging online. The search terms? "How to administer cannabis to a dog." Christine -- who, for the record, is not a recreational cannabis user -- was initially concerned about giving it to her dog because of the bad press she'd heard about the plant. But after giving Sampson cannabis flower-bud material mixed with virgin coconut oil (which the Rotti lapped up gladly), she noticed a huge difference in the dog's attitude almost immediately.

"Cannabis saved my dog's life," she says. "It brought him back from the brink."

Since Sampson's passing, Christine consoles herself by reaching out to others in a similar situation. Online, she found Dr. Doug Kramer, whose mission is to improve pets' quality of life by outlining safe and effective dosing guidelines. A conservative, clean-cut Californian, Kramer doesn't use marijuana himself for recreational or medicinal purposes. His goal, he says, is "to provide palliative care and prevent accidental overdoses resulting from owners' well-meaning attempts to relieve their pets' pain and suffering."
Dr. Doug Kramer administers medical marijuana to Mason the Vizsla, who has late-stage cancer

Kramer's inspiration is Nikita, his beloved Husky, who died following a long battle with cancer. After studying the latest research on cannabis, he was moved to develop a homemade tincture and saw firsthand how it restored Nikita's appetite and allowed her to enjoy her final months to the fullest.

After Nikita's death, Kramer resolved to safely harness medical marijuana, aka MM or MMJ, to benefit other animals with incurable and terminal diseases. He's become an outspoken, tireless advocate of pain control for animals and has established a veterinary practice, Enlightened Veterinary Therapeutics, specializing in palliative and hospice care. He's the first vet in the country to offer cannabis consultations as part of a comprehensive treatment plan for pet patients.
After receiving his dose of medical marijuana, Mason looks very relaxed

In doing so, Kramer is putting his professional reputation on the line and risking jail time. Veterinarians cannot prescribe MM for patients; it is illegal because cannabis is defined as a Schedule I drug by the FDA.

“The decision was an easy one for me to make," he says. "I refuse to condemn my patients to a miserable existence for self preservation or concerns about what may or may not happen to me as a consequence of my actions. My freedom of speech is clearly protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution. This is an issue of animal welfare, plain and simple. Remaining silent would represent a clear violation of the veterinarian’s oath I took when I was admitted into this profession."

With enough support from the general public and medical communities, the legality of cannabis could change. Yet despite mounting scientific evidence proving the herb's potent pain-relieving property -- plus increasing anecdotal evidence from dog owners who've experimented with MM successfully -- the veterinary mainstream wants cannabis weeded out, citing the risks of overdose and carcinogenic secondhand smoke.

As Ohio vet Neal J. Sivula explains, "I am very frustrated by veterinarians' seeming lack of interest in exploring this potentially very useful plant, Dr. Kramer being the exception. I am gathering that most veterinarians have not followed the changes in genetic strains of MM. Most think of MM only in terms of what might be purchased for illicit use and haven't done their research to know that strains have been developed with an eye toward pain control, nausea relief, and appetite stimulation with minimal reported side effects [in people]."

Although it's understandable why vets frown on sharing pot with pets for recreational purposes, when marijuana is administered orally via a tincture, in precise dosages prescribed by a vet with the goal of relieving unbearable pain, the smoke risk is eliminated, and the herb appears to do much more good than harm. Plus, cannabis doesn't adversely impact the liver, as many medications do. That's why, for every vet who opposes cannabis, there's another open to giving it a try -- once it's legalized.

Dr. Sue Boynton of Santa Rosa, CA, hopes that -- like numerous other treatments used to help human patients, from homeopathy to hyperbaric oxygen therapy -- MM may soon be legally harnessed as a treatment option for pets.

"I see an awful lot of animals with cancer, and I treat them with conventional chemo," Boynton says. "I'm all about diagnostics -- ultrasound, radiology, blood work. I use it all to see what's going on with my patients. But then I like to add in other modalities, like Chinese herbs and homeopathy, because I think alternative medicine has a lot to offer. Why is cannabis not an option for pets, when it's so widespread as an option in the human world?"

Dr. Sivula recalls a dog patient with chronic arthritis who was being medicated by the owner when all other traditional pain medications had failed. MM was helpful in relieving the dog's discomfort.
Nikita the Husky, inspiration behind Enlightened Veterinary Therapeutics. Photo courtesy of Dr. Doug Kramer

"Clients have asked about it for years, but the interest has grown since MM has been legalized in various states," Sivula says. "As veterinarians, the only discussion we have around MM is regarding toxic doses; because of the Schedule I problem, we don't even have any good research in animals to show if it can be used safely. The bottom line is that we absolutely need the DEA to reclassify MM so that it can be studied."

What do you think? Should medical marijuana be legalized for dogs? Would you use it on your dog? Let us know in the comments!

Source: Do You Think Medical Marijuana Should Be Legalized for Dogs? | Dogster

bluntmassa 02-26-2013 03:52 AM

I think we shuold legalize marijuana for humans first but sure why not. I don't think any drug shuold be illegal like I need someone threatening me with jail time to not smoke crack. lol, but really if your a grown man you should be able to do whatever you want as long as it don't hurt anyone else.

MJPassion 03-01-2013 02:00 PM

I think that no human should attempt to control a plant...

or an animal attempting to use such plants.

Take a hand full of seeds...
Broadcast them over a large patch of ground...
See how many of them care about the current political laws...

I'd be willing to bet none of them seeds can even read... let alone follow some stupid words written by some potential controller...

budkeeper 03-02-2013 01:13 AM

Yes to Medical Marijuana for Animals
Smokin Moose,
Thanks for bringing this article to our attention. Although I have personally not considered it, it makes tremendous sense to have marijuana in veterinary medicine. There is so much that marijuana has to offer that the perpetuated lies surrounding it must ultimately topple. This is one more arrow in the quiver of we who know that the legalization of marijuana is the right thing. I applaud Dr. Kramer for his compassion and dedication. I only wish there were more like him in the medical community. Thanks again SM!:cool:-bk

Joe King Park 03-02-2013 08:37 AM

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Buddy Bigfoot And I Both Agree That Cannabis Should Be Legalised . Buddy's Now 8 Years Old And Is Showing No Signs Of Slowing Down . One Tip He'd Like To Share; There Is No Difference Between Childrens Ibuprofen And Canine Pain Killers ( Vets Profit Heavily From Pharmaceuticals)

stonesplitter 03-05-2013 03:42 PM

Animals benefit from weed!
Excellent contribution Smokin Moose. This reminds me of the Canadian war vet who got busted a number of years ago with piles of weed in his barn. He swore by it he told the judge and said he fed it to all his critters. How could it be harmless he said when old hens started to lay eggs again and old cows ran around playfully like calves. I would also venture that it keeps humans youthfull too. In the case of animals it can easily be added to the feed/ Problem is all the regular do-gooders and animal rights peoples who might just think its "terrible " ? Any feedback from these groups that anyone knows of?

MarijuanaPiranha 03-05-2013 09:45 PM

why not?
I've seen many dogs die from cancer.

This is from the parke-davis testing "cannabis americana" on canines:

"A dog weighing 25 pounds received an injection of two ounces of an active U.S.P. fluid extract in the jugular vein with the expectation that it would certainly be sufficient to produce death…

"At the beginning of our observations careful search of the literature on the subject was made to determine the toxicity of the hemp. Not a single case of fatal poisoning have we been able to find reported, although often alarming symptoms may occur. A dog weighing 25 pounds received an injection of two ounces of an active U.S.P. fluid extract in the jugular vein with the expectation that it would certainly be sufficient to produce death. To our surprise, the animal, after being unconscious for about a day and a half, recovered completely. This dog received not alone the active constituents of the drug but also the amount of alcohol contained in the fluid extract. Another dog received about 7 grammes of Solid Extract Cannabis with the same result. We have never been able to give an animal a sufficient quantity of a U.S. P. or other preparation of the Cannabis (Indica or Americana) to produce death."

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oneofus 03-06-2013 09:04 AM

hello s...moose :)

Now I know a hell of a lot about this subject because... ?

Dogs love cannabis because dogs are animals just like humans are and humans like being stoned on cannabis so ipso facto dogs like being stoned on cannabis

Now...the mistake that almost all humans make is that they think that humans are the Us to the Them that they believe all other animals are, but it is axiomatic to Blind Freddy that the animal brain is just animal brain.

Is there really any difference between a dog and a man?

or have you never eaten your food off the floor s...moose?

And if not why haven't you?


You show me an animal with pride and I will show you a human! ;)

Sure a trained seal will perform a trick for a fish

And a human will teach a seal how to do a trick for a feed of fish in order to be paid a credit to swap for a gutted and flayed fish being displayed under curved glass at the local supermarket.

So who is the smarter animal smoose?

The one who does a simple trick for the whole fish, or the one who settles for the butchered and processed flesh of the whole?

The Buddha made all of this clear ages ago.

fishy :)

Smokin Moose 03-06-2013 09:12 AM

I agree with what you say. I think it is a whole new world when veterinarians, and people in general, can learn to treat critters of all kinds with a natural, organic, healing medicine.
I think everyone missed the real point in this. Dr Doug Kramer is the FIRST veterinarian in the world to openly be using medical cannabis in palliative and hospice care for animals. He is taking on the national veterinary body, which is even more conservative than the medical doctors. He faces an incredible battle to achieve this. I spoke with him on the phone and he is totally committed to doing the right thing by his animal patients, and he is prepared for any battles that may come, including legal issues. He is a hella brave guy.
Cannabis is a wonderful medicine. The more people, and animals that start using it the better.

oneofus 03-06-2013 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by Smokin Moose (Post 179136)
... Cannabis is a wonderful medicine. The more people, and animals that start using it the better.

people are animals Smoking Moose and animals can benefit from cannabis if they do not dislike what cannabis does to their animal mind which most animal minds don't.

Thank you for being on the side of cannabis being good for animals Smoking Moose :)

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