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Old 09-06-2010, 03:59 PM
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“We will need a medical body acting as a union for all those involved. I have said it for many years now but most companies are too busy making money from commerce individually to be interested. We need a union of seed producers, sellers, resellers etc...And soon to fight this properly all the way. Let`s hope we can motivate somebody to take this on soon.” – Shantibaba

The International Sativa Society is a conceptualized union body originally developed in order to address the need of the burgeoning cannabis industries for a system of checks and balances. With an increasingly tolerant public and political environment moving swiftly towards reform, the need for an intermediary agency tasted with presenting and protecting the interest of cannabis breeders, growers and consumers has become a crucial necessity in ensuring the structural integrity of a vastly unregulated industry which is moving swiftly towards societal acceptance. With the burgeoning market of medicinal cannabis on the horizon, there is little in terms of quality control or acting liaisons to serve to serve as a buffer between producer and consumer. A quality control complex of standardized procedures needs to exist in order to establish the foundations in which the leaders of the industry will use to march relentlessly forward into the 21st century and beyond.

With industries such as “big pharmaceutical and tobacco” looming just behind the scenes, the need to protect both intellectual and genetic property rights has never been more apparent. Already there are those who have aligned themselves with these entities in order to cheat the rightful owner(s) out of their livelihoods. In many cases, entire lifetimes have been dedicated to the breeding and preservation of many of the most important and fundamental cannabis strains in the world. Given the nature of the political environment which has leant itself to the anonymity of the profession over nearly the last century, many breeders and growers stand to lose out to the deep pockets of corporations with anything but their best interest at heart.

Protect the livelihoods of the world’s cannabis breeders, growers and consumers around the globe by supporting the International Cannabis Sativa Society! With very few systems of checks and balances governing the vastly unregulated nature of the cannabis industry today, which resembles more of a ‘wild west’ nature of existence, more so then an organized body of responsible parties who support a platform of quality control and standardized practices, the need for an acting governing body tasked with the oversight of the future of the cannabis plant itself is increasingly necessary to protect all of those who may need to seek an acting official liaison in order to protect their interest in the future. Through historical education, modernized quality control and an oversight to the beneficial future of the plant itself, we can all make a difference in stirring the destiny of the industry into a positive direction, rather than contributing to the currently corrupt and demoralizing path which plagues the industry today.

The International Cannabis Sativa Society
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddqzpbIZqiQ

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Old 09-07-2010, 05:49 PM
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SIGN ME UP!!! We need to move NOW!!!

Monsanto has a couple year head start. Lets make this a reality today!!!

The International Cannabis Society is a necessary regulatory body to protect YOU the home grower. How? Here's a couple ideas.

1. Lineage verification.
2. Genetic Fingerprinting/Database.
3. Intermediary body to act as a liason between breeders.
4. Preserving known proven genomes (like Oaxacan
5. Listing breeders which meet standards set by body.
6. Protecting existing hybrids, which companies will attempt to steal from the creators, through litigation funded by pool paid into by all members.
7. Protecting breeders from having work stolen by other breeders through fingerprint verification.
8. Listing comprehensive medical benefits of strains.
9. Assisting governments with cannabis studies by providing varieties to be studied.
10. Balancing the messages of Cannabis prohibitionists with common sense messgaes from the society and exposing their motivations whenever possible.

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Old 09-07-2010, 06:28 PM
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Monsanto has a couple year head start. Lets make this a reality today!!!

The International Cannabis Society is a necessary regulatory body to protect YOU the home grower. How? Here's a couple ideas.
Hi Kyle
One of the motivating factors behind the idea was in fact preliminary research which indicated something like a Monsanto esk problem could very well present it self in the future. Below is a post lifted from a couple of my previous comments on the subject, one which has wheels that are already in motion. Strains which have seen extensive work, particularly by those in our community such as Nevil and Shantibaba, have been made key players in royalty payments from companies such as GW Pharmaceuticals and Hortapharm (Sam Skunkman, RC Clarke), some of whom have aligned themselves with big pharmaceutical companies such as Eli Lilly for example already. A subject which hits a little too close to home for my liking, to say the least.

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I second kashgar's claim that sam=knowsitallforsure=romberryherm, I was there too and would add another "sam handle" from back in the day... truthmonger. I still think the best name is the one nevil gave him... monsanto sam sure fits for a guy that desperately tries to establish ownership of important genetic lines so that he can sell the rights to them to big pharma.
This information is definitely a fact, nice post ortega. Seems you've been paying attention . It would seem Im one of very few members who have had the oppurtunity to speak with Sam extensively, from CW to Icmag. I can recall quite a few conversations with him as knowsitall4sure, but indeed he has been known under a few aliases, most of which Kash has zero'd in on. I would be willing to bet there are some we do not know about as well, call it a hunch

Below is some info Ive lifted from previous post, which demonstrate what Ortega is touching upon. Of particular interest to me is Sams long time partner, R.C. Clarke, who it appears has had a plan for many years now, one which he ultimately capitalized on.

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In the annals of medical-marijuana history, it was a significant moment: In June 1998, British regulators granted GW Pharmaceuticals a license to cultivate and supply marijuana for research and pharmaceutical development. There was just one problem: Where in the world would Geoffrey Guy, GW's founder and chairman, find a legal source of pharmaceutical-grade marijuana seeds -- enough to grow "tons" of material? Someone in England's Home Office gave Guy a tip: A reclusive Dutch company called Hortapharm, founded by two Californian expatriates, might be able to help him out.
http://cannabis.net/cannabis-seed/index.html

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Below are some excerpts from Skunkmans partner, R.C. Clarke from Marijuana Botany: An Advanced Study



Clarke (1981) wrote the following:

Does the slight recombination of a plant's genetic material by a breeder give him the right to own that organ- ism and its offspring? Despite public resistance voiced by conservation groups, the Plant Variety Protection Act of 1970 was passed and currently allows the patenting of 224 vegetable crops. New amendments could grant patent holders exclusive rights for 18 years to distribute, import, export and use for breeding purposes their newly developed strains. Similar conventions worldwide could further threaten genetic resources. Should patented varieties of Cannabis become reality it might be illegal to grow any strain other than a patented variety, especially for food or medicinal uses. Limitations could also be imposed such that only low-THC strains would be patentable. This could lead to restrictions on small-scale growing of Cannabis; commercial growers could not take the chance of stray pollinations from private plots harming a valuable seed crop. Proponents of plant patenting claim that patents will encourage the development of new varieties. In fact, patent laws encourage the spread of uniform strains devoid of the genetic diversity which allows improvements. Patent laws have also fostered intense competition between breeders and the suppression of research results which if made public could speed crop improvement. A handful of large corporations hold the vast majority of plant patents. These conditions will make it impossible for cultivators of native strains to compete with agribusiness and could lead to the further extinction of native strains now surviving on small farms in North America and Europe. (pg.4)


R.C Clarke (1981) wrote in Marijuana Botany: An Advanced Study:

At this time it seems unlikely that a plant patent would be awarded for a pure-breeding strain of drug Cannabis. In the future, however, with the legalization of cultivation, it is a certainty that corporations with the time, space, and money to produce pure and hybrid strains of Cannabis will apply for patents. Itmay be legal to grow only certain patented strains produced by large seed companies. Will this be how Government and industry combine to control the quality and quantity of "drug" Cannabis? (pg.38)


http://zone-gnostik.org/bd/Resistance-Anarchie-Subversion/Drugs/Marijuana/MarijuanaBotanyAnAdvancedStudy-Clarke.pdf


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At a secret location in southeastern England, GW Pharmaceuticals has built what might well be the most high-tech pot palace on the planet. Surrounded by electrified razor wire, video cameras, and motion detectors, the greenhouse sprawls across more than an acre of land. At any one time, more than 15,000 marijuana plants are growing under its 14-foot ceiling, with its banks of lights. Inside is a sea of green, comprised of some of the world's most potent strains of pot: Hindu Kush, White Widow, Skunk, Northern Lights. Outside of the Netherlands, GW is the only commercial organization in Europe licensed to cultivate cannabis on this scale.
http://www.maps.org/media/fc021704_2.html



According to a 2005 article with Walrus Magazine:

There is no question that GW plans to enforce its patents on Sativex, which is a precisely dosed medicine. Warns Guy: “To protect our extensive investment, we have sought to identify and patent certain inventions throughout the growing, extraction and manufacturing process. My comments to Mr. Lucas were made as a friendly and, hopefully, helpful gesture as I did not wish him to invest a great amount of effort into obtaining approval for a product as a prescription medicine only to find that he did not have the freedom to operate in the first place. (Preston, pars. 1-12)

http://www.walrusmagazine.com/articles/2005.02-medicine-medical-marijuana-activist/


Additional recommended reading:

The World According to Monsanto
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=3577

Knowing that a small handful varieties are literally the pillars in which the entire cannabis industry is built upon, if these lines are patented (by their rightful owners or charlatans alike) the possibility of Monsanto like problems facing the marijuana community becomes a very real possibility.

How many of the strains that are so famous today contain no Northern Lights? Skunk #1? Haze? White Widow? If you were to walk into the grow rooms of those who supply the coffee shops and medical facilties around the world... all of these lines could be readily found. If corporate interest own the rights to these lines, they essentially control the market. With the Monsanto link above showing the current situation other farmers growing legal genetically patented crops are facing, one does not have to imagine hard what the future may contain later down the road for us all if legalization becomes a reality.

This is one of many reasons why the truth surrounding the lines that are so famous today needs to be known. Otherwise, without anyone paying attention to these nuances we may very well be contributing to shooting ourselves in the foot. One can not predict the future, but to ignore the facts is a grave mistake.
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=2761&page=18
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Old 09-07-2010, 10:41 PM
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As I see it, the biggest problem in the cannabis community today are not those who want to stop us from smoking cannabis, but those who want to have us smoke crap, so that they can make money out of it.

They have a comprehensive plan.
Robert C.Clark and Geoffrey Guy have already spelled out what they have in mind, is anyone paying attention? The meat in the sandwich is Monsanto Sam, lurking on the internet, pretending to be one of us, laying claim to genetics and techniques that were meant for the people of the world. Beware of disinformation from these sources.
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Old 09-07-2010, 10:53 PM
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So Sam is dangerous?
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But to dispel incorrect information about MNS using different plants or better plants coming from more original seed is just false...It may be smart to remind most of you who do not know that since the beginning of plant work for MNS and other companies all mother and father plants were always controlled and put into production by myself as Nevil lives on the other side of the world and Howard does not do the plants.
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FreshGenetics So Sam is dangerous?

Rats carry diseases like the black plague. Monsanto Sam is like a rat bitten by that virulent flea travelling freely throughout our international airports spreading his disease with all he comes in contact with In My Opinion. _~

Sucks about RC Clarke. I have for many years thought of MarijuanaBotany as the best book EVER on the subject. Sad sometimes how knowledge forces you to think from new angles. Ignorance is bliss, rats belong in traps. IMO.
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I'm starting to feel like a Greenpeace volunteer on a zodiac dingy fighting a 100 foot whale boat.

Except the whale boat does not smell of fish it smells like catpiss. Heh.
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Proposition 19 Drug Policy Alliance MPP NORML George Soros Monsanto Bayer GW Pharma HortaPharm GMO Terminator Cannabis

PROPOSITION 19, MONSANTO, AND TERMINATOR CANNABIS






George Weiblen conducts his research under a permit granted by the DEA to import Cannabis from outside of the U.S. The two sources from which these imports come from are the Kenex corporation based in Ontario Canada and the HortaPharm corporation based in Amsterdam. These two corporations are two of the very few entities which have acquired a DEA permit to import Cannabis into the United States. The history and role of these corporations illustrate the potential of Genetic Engineering in the global Cannabis market.
Kenex corporation initiated its research program on industrial hemp in 1995 in cooperation with Ridgetown College of University of Guelph in Ontario. A research license was granted by Health Canada to proceed with the program. The scope of the project was expanded in 1996 making it the largest hemp research project in Canada.
It is interesting to note that Kenex’s research program on hemp was initiated at the University of Guelph, which is also home to 24 ag-biotech research facilities, and is heavily funded by the ag-biotech industry, including research funds from Monsanto corporation, Bayor Incorporated, Dupont, Syngenta and Dow Chemical corporation to name a few.
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Monsanto is in the process of acquiring and patenting their newest technology, known as "Terminator Technology." This technology is currently the greatest threat to humanity. If it is used by Monsanto on a large-scale basis, it will inevitably lead to famine and starvation on a worldwide basis.

Billions of people on the planet are supported by farmers who save seeds from the crops and replant these seeds the following year. Seeds are planted. The crop is harvested. And the seeds from the harvest are replanted the following year. Most farmers cannot afford to buy new seeds every year, so collecting and replanting seeds is a crucial part of the agricultural cycle. This is the way food has been grown successfully for thousands of years.

With Monsanto's terminator technology, they will sell seeds to farmers to plant crops. But these seeds have been genetically-engineered so that when the crops are harvested, all new seeds from these crops are sterile (e.g., dead, unusable). This forces farmers to pay Monsanto every year for new seeds if they want to grow their crops.


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"It looks like dope, but really it's hope," explains the proprietor, American entrepreneur David Watson. What he means is that many of these plants have been specifically bred not to produce an intoxicating resin or hashish. Indeed, HortaPharm hopes to thwart the aims of the average recreational user.
The team are already close to finding their own commercial Holy Grail - seeds that will produce a one-off, female, seedless crop of plants with no psychotropic effects (or THC highs, to the layman) for the consumer. Why, you might ask, would they want to do that?
The answer is that Mr Watson and his Amsterdam-based scientists are working to create a stable, plant-based medical product . They want to isolate the beneficial effects of cannabis' various properties and then reproduce them, ad infinitum, from specialised parent plants.
Mr Watson and his Dutch colleague, biochemist Etienne de Meijer, are confident that by using their own exclusive cross-breeding methods, they can develop healthy plants which will combine only the desired chemical make-up of individual medicines.
There will be no generational deterioration and no genetic difference between each plant because they will be bred from themselves: they will be cloned. "You can clone a plant 10 times," explains Mr de Meijer, "and every time it will be exactly the same."

Mr de Meijer has developed his own technique of "self-progeny" - or "selfing" - where he turns half of one female plant temporarily into a male. Fertilising a plant with itself in this way means the same genetic make-up can be reproduced.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/ca...s-1200871.html

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