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Old 11-18-2010, 05:07 AM
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G`day Panacea
I first read about farmers in Canada being sued by Monsanto in about 97/98 in my local newspaper and on the news radio so it has been going on for a long time . Here`s a couple of You Tube vids re the case .
Its also interesting to read the more info section accompanying the 1st vid .
Hope this is valid to the dicussion
Thanks for sharin
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Old 02-24-2011, 01:17 PM
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Default now we have someone trying to genetically engineer plants that produce sterile seeds so the farmers have to purchase them every about flipping nature on its head, how are the farmers ever gonna survive if day after day countries make it hard for them to produce a product whether its coffee, corn, etc....really sickens me!
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Old 02-24-2011, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Panacea View Post
Whoa, if Monsanto really have taken legal actions against growers who had their crops pollinated (polluted!) by their (Monsanto's) strains, it's obviously a huge scandal or maybe I should say immoral action. Can you (or someone else) please give some source to that? I really want to read more about the matter. I knew Monsato's evil, but that openly? I don't mistrust you (haven't read enough posts by you yet to determine wether you're trustworthy or not.) (I've been lurking around here now and then for a couple of years maybe but I'm a newly registered member.)

Anyways, I find it hard to see how they could take legal actions towards smalltime growers who don't (atleast not openly) sell their product.
They would probobly take action against growers who sell their product though.
This is the case that set the precendent for Monsanto to shut down small farmers all across the country, by simply contaminating their fields with monsanto GMOs.

In Schmieser versus Monsanto, the small farmer was actually busted for growing his own seed in his own field, because it was cross pollinated by a patented monsanto strain from a neighboring field, owned by a different farmer. This is a timeline of the landmark case.

Here is a wickapedia summary.

Monsanto Canada Inc. v. Schmeiser - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Old 02-27-2011, 02:29 AM
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guys there are so many parrallels with sensi and wine. isn't this an avenue worth looking into. the past 30 years canada has instituted their own quality control system for wines called the vqa (vinters quality alliance), not unlike the french Appellation d'Origine Contrôlée (AOC) system. These are based on the concept on terroir or "the best grapes grow in the best places".Well without this system in place wineries could claim to be bourdeuax or burgundy and sell their products under the assumed quality of these areas.....well to tell ya the truth i only skimed the meat of the thread but this is what dawned on me (Granted i just smoked a bowl of some burmese from my bc mail order company not too much longer canada!!!!)
but yeah could it be possible to some how develop a quasi terroir /genetic systems, even taking into account dog breeding and breed certifacation....i remeber nevil mentioning something about dog breeding in relation to plant breeding....i dunno, food for though, what do you all think

sorry if i hijacked the thread in any sure we ALL know of the sativa thought spikes
damn i wrote a book lol


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Old 02-27-2011, 08:29 AM
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That i was read here is very sad . I Hope we all can save real psychoactive cannabis who is alive from centuries . All the best , just keep breeding and makeing seeds in this way you dont need to buy .

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Old 03-01-2011, 03:26 PM
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Count me in!

This was part of the BS which lead me to find the only place to be a long time ago! Not just because of the genetics but like minded folks who want to do something about it.

In search of land races & pure lines to fulfill what I missed, I accepted what was left for man kind to work with.

An idea came to me once & I called it Alexandria!

Call it whatever you want but it needs to EXIST!

I don't know how I can help but will be paying more attention & contributing all possible.

Great info by the way to all!
Good looking out Jesse!

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Old 03-01-2011, 05:45 PM
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Count me in on this..

Having taken a break then coming back after 2 years and seeing the state of the seed industry it is destroying to see for an old skwl med/stoner like me.
😂 a sativa a day keeps the doctor away 😂
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Old 03-30-2011, 01:22 PM
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Hi all,
As we have previously discussed, Sam the Skunk Man (Dave watson) and his long time associate, R.C. Clarke, both significant figures in the marijuana industry, have a long history with GW Pharmaceuticals. Including, but not limited too, supplying some of the most fundamental strains in the cannabis industry to GW Pharmaceuticals who have previously discussed patenting," certain inventions throughout the growing, extraction and manufacturing process." A significant portion of today's modern gene pool can be traced to these exact strains supplied to GW Pharmaceuticals. With a quick glance at how other genetic patents in related agricultural industries have played out, chiefly Monsanto, the possibility of a very real problem is out on the horizon.

Below is a link on a related note, where GW Pharmaceuticals is allegedly tied into an attempt to patent a long standing cannabis based drink known as Bhang. This news in and of itself is quite troubling, and is exactly the precept behind the founding of The International Cannabis Sativa Society.

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Old 03-31-2011, 09:45 PM
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Hi all,
Below is an article which, if my memory serves me correctly, was originally posted here some time ago by another member. At the time it reminded me quite a bit of related discussion's on the subject and made me curious if the author was not a frequent observer at our forum? None the less, it outlines a story, though obviously tongue in cheek, which is frightening. The names and subject matter should sound vaguely familiar to some of you who have paid attention.

Subsidi-Farm Granted USDA Contract to Develop Seedless Pot
Posted on March 06, 2010.

Washington, D.C. – In what was hailed as a “good news, bad news” story today out of Washington, Subsidi-Farm, one of the nation’s largest agricultural companies, has been granted a federal contract to develop seedless, irradiated pot, which, among other things, will have a distinct yellow coloration to its leaves. Although seedless, the pot offers the same or better medicinal properties as that grown by private cultivators, due to the fact that all the plants processed will be female.

The good news is that the federal government is giving the green light to Subsidi-Farm to develop this particular strain of seedless marijuana for purposes of supplying it to government storehouses and eventually distributing it to the hundreds of marijuana dispensaries popping up in states that have passed legislation legalizing medical marijuana. The weed is said be far superior to any grown by private farms and remains completely safe for consumption by card-carrying medical marijuana users. In addition, the irradiation process ensures purity and total consistency without producing any long-term ill effects for its users.

The bad news for private cultivators is that this particular marijuana plant, known as SF-MM151, will become the only legal marijuana in the United States. The government reiterated that the plant will be strictly controlled. USDA is expected to hire and train several hundred cannabis specialists to regularly inspect medical marijuana dispensaries and “smoke houses” throughout the United States, with the sole purpose of confiscating any marijuana that does not bear the trademark Subsidi-Farm bright yellow hue.

Mellow Yellow Marijuana

Medical marijuana dispensaries will be required to obtain both federal and state certification, akin to liquor licenses, in order to dispense the government pot. Licenses are expected to run in the tens of thousands of dollars; however, when compared to the enormous amount of revenues expected to be generated by medical marijuana dispensaries, the licensing fees should not create any protests.

Already, growers in California and Washington State are attempting to duplicate Subsidi-Farm’s patented plants, dubbed “mellow yellow,” but none have been successful. A Subsidi-Farm spokesperson told us that the process whereby ordinary pot such as California Bud or Maui Waui is irradiated and colored naturally involves a top-secret technology; it is virtually impossible to duplicate by even the most sophisticated pot growers.

What this means for the future of medical marijuana is that folks can stop fighting over their rights to use it. Smoke houses and marijuana cafes can stay open to dispense the product in an environment free from harassment by local police, providing, of course, they follow the strict FDA, DEA, USDA and local government guidelines for obtaining and dispensing mellow yellow from their storefronts. The distinct coloration of the pot will make it easy for agents to distinguish whether dispensary owners are trying to pass off artificially-colored pot for the irradiated Subsidi-Farm variety.

Some Republican congressmen, especially those in states that have laws legalizing medical marijuana, see this as an attempt by the Obama administration to use socialist methods to control yet another aspect of American life. Conversely, most Democrats see it as a logical step in the right direction: a solution to a problem that not only makes the majority of Americans happy but also lines the government’s pockets with much-needed regulatory revenues that can fund other social and educational programs hard hit by recent budget cuts.

President Obama is said to be quite proud of the fact that Subsidi-Farm and the U.S. Government can work together toward a well thought-out compromise on the medical marijuana issue, freeing state governments to focus their attention on more pressing matters, such as health care.
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Old 04-01-2011, 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by JessE View Post
A significant portion of today's modern gene pool can be traced to these exact strains supplied to GW Pharmaceuticals. With a quick glance at how other genetic patents in related agricultural industries have played out, chiefly Monsanto, the possibility of a very real problem is out on the horizon.

You need to read up on patent law and undertstand the concept of prior use. There's simply no problem here as you lay it out. There's many other problems associated with GW Pharma, imo, but worrying about GW and patents for plants we already have in our possession, and have been using for decades is not one of them.

How exactly is the International Cannabis Sativa Society going to help with lawsuits against GW Pharmaceuticals or the like? Is the ICCS more than a concept at this point? Who, other than you JessE, is on board, and what have you done so far?

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