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Old 01-10-2011, 03:17 PM
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In my experience, Ortega seems to be a more-or-less pure Afghani line but I would love some insight/clarification from Nevil and/or Dogless.
In the 88 catalogue NL#1 is described as 'a true-breeding Afghani with extreme indica characteristics' which could be the same thing?
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Old 01-10-2011, 04:15 PM
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hello , if i can ad my opinion, i read the hindu kush came from the skunkman...and in my experience its not a very good smoke in the ganja form at least, i dont like the taste, too much chlorophylle in the leaf material i think, maybe in hash form its better...but i never make hash from it....
I agree i purchased a bit of pot of gold (uk cut) and it was very chlorophilic. It was very sour and tasted like a joint of leaves would. Smells like an old skool skink but tasted helish
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Old 01-10-2011, 04:43 PM
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the ortega origon question has been brought up in threads here and elsewhere. shanti seemed unsure of himself when questioned about it and i think(?) nevil stated that he was gifted the cut? what i think i know about it is also sketchy but to the best of my recall ortega was an unruly afghan cultivar with high potency as its most redeeming quality. some folks in cali had it and passed it on to oregon where it was crossed with the nl#1 to become the ortega we know today. i am tempted to grab this one and then heard there may be herm probs? what to do? if herm probs persist, shanti will dump it and i will lose that chance but i can't have any herm probs atm either? fook me. peace-biteme
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Old 01-10-2011, 07:54 PM
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some folks in cali had it and passed it on to oregon where it was crossed with the nl#1 to become the ortega we know today.
I was following you until about right there. As I have my own interest in finding blindingly potent Afghan plants, but there is a couple parts of this statement which lead me to question the validity of the story you've been told or heard. Please do not construe this post as being offensive in any way, just adding my two cents here.
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Old 01-10-2011, 08:13 PM
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The NL2 was IMO a NL version of Kush. More weight and that puffed up indica type of bud that NL5 had. The taste was very similar to the Kush4 that I remember as coming from Ortega. (correct me if I'm wrong Jim).The Ortega type was more what I would describe as a typical landrace although fairly consistent. I used an F4 NL2 male over the Kush4 to produce a vigorous hybrid that was true to type. It was the Kush4 that made me realise that the NL2 was primarily a Kush. The NL2 needed some fresh blood as the F5 wasn't as good as the F4. I had planned to take the Hybrid back to NL2 and as the NL2 had already been released I expected others would do the same. I must be living in my own world as it doesn't appear that anyone saw the connection that seemed obvious to me.
I never got any Kush from Sam. I did get another Afghan from him that was unrelated to A#1. It a was coarse large seeded variety with big calyxes, but lacking potency. I used that in the Black Domina (25%).
All the NL lines were from seed not cuttings, as was the Kush4.
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Old 01-10-2011, 08:52 PM
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I never got any Kush from Sam.
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Thanx for this info.

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strain: Skunk #1, Original Haze, California Orange, Early Girl, Afghani #1, S Indian Kerala, Early Thai, Hindu Kush, Hawaiian Indica, Swazi, and many more.

comments: as well as their hybrids, and many other varieties were developed by me and most of the data you have posted about their origin is not correct. For example:

Afghani #1 the breeder was not Sinsi Seeds Bank, it was me.
Calif Orange was not bred by Dutch passion, but by me.
Durban was not bred by Sinsi Seeds, but by me.
Early Pearl was not breed by Sensi seeds but by a friend of mine.
Hawaiian Indica, not by Sensi Seeds but by me.
Hindu Kush, not by Sinsi Seeds but by me.

All of the Hazes came from my materials I bred in Calif in the 70's. Not from Positronics or anyone else.
You did get Skunk #1 correct.

-Sam the Skunkman

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Old 01-10-2011, 09:48 PM
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t was submitted by Sam () on Sunday, September 8, 2002 at 04:00:48

strain: Skunk #1, Original Haze, California Orange, Early Girl, Afghani #1, S Indian Kerala, Early Thai, Hindu Kush, Hawaiian Indica, Swazi, and many more.

comments: as well as their hybrids, and many other varieties were developed by me and most of the data you have posted about their origin is not correct. For example:

Afghani #1 the breeder was not Sinsi Seeds Bank, it was me.(Said he with pride)(Discontinued)
Calif Orange was not bred by Dutch passion, but by me.(Discontinued)
Durban was not bred by Sinsi Seeds, but by me.(Discontinued)
Early Pearl was not breed by Sensi seeds but by a friend of mine.(Rob Clark, I still use the IBL I made out of this F1)
Hawaiian Indica, not by Sensi Seeds but by me.(Bullshit)
Hindu Kush, not by Sinsi Seeds but by me.(Bullshit)

All of the Hazes came from my materials I bred in Calif in the 70's.(once again proof that the old Haze seeds he sold me were not bred by him) Not from Positronics or anyone else.
You did get Skunk #1 correct.(I'll give him that one)

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Old 01-10-2011, 10:38 PM
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Let me further add that Sam probably didn't breed the Cali Orange or Durban either, the former came from Jerry Biesler and the latter is said to be from Sandy Weinstein.

Like Nev said before, Sam was a courier! lol
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Old 01-10-2011, 11:16 PM
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Let me further add that Sam probably didn't breed the Cali Orange or Durban either, the former came from Jerry Biesler and the latter is said to be from Sandy Weinstein.

Like Nev said before, Sam was a courier! lol
Do you have any proof that Sam's Orange was in fact Orange Spice?
J.Biesler told it to you?

Thanx.

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Old 01-10-2011, 11:27 PM
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The story is he bought seeds from Jerry's ex-wife. I don't know this 100% for sure but I;ve heard it more than once, hence I said probably, we don't know for sure if Sam did buy beans from the ex and if he did, did he cross them to make his Cali Orange? Not sure, I was just making the point that there are alternative stories about the origins of several of Sam's lines and with him taking credit for things like Hawaiian Indica we know he's not honest about such things so that makes the stories about buying seeds from ex-wife more believeable imho.
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