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Old 12-26-2010, 04:21 PM
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In your example..Is the Ducks foot homozygous for Ducks foot, or heterozygous?

And same ? for your autoflower.

Or are you trying to find out what i asked?
Both are heterozygous. Not sure about monogenic. I mean who's done genetic work on this? I looked up monogenic and I'm not sure the word applies. They talk about monogenic as being a disorder and I don't see it as a disorder. From wiki's definition of monogenetic I guess you could say it's Autosomal recessive. I read a post on reptile breeding that had similar characteristics and the numbers were the same. If it will help:
Duck x Duck =Duck
Auto x Auto=Auto
Auto x non auto = non auto
Duck x non Duck = non Duck

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Old 12-26-2010, 04:26 PM
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well, one positive is we are back to you mr. north which is the direction i wanted to follow cause i think we have similar goals. but first, where do you live and i ask because at my 41 degrees i have also been told forever that hazes were out of my range?
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Biteme, please this ain't about me...i hope anyone here can benefit from all info.
my circumstances just happen to be a bit peculiar.

I'm at 45.5N, more or less, but i have a very short season, 120days. the arctic, and the north American plains control my weather. if i was at 45 in coastal europe...i could run damn near anything i wanted.

nOpe, in answer to your last response...

I've been an OD guerrilla for 25 years now...I've run lot and lots of plants, my personal experience is about a 10% loss rate, the vast majority of that to animals..not human. though i've had a few losses to humans...those are the worst.

Nev, i just wanna say again...and i think 99% of the folks here would agree.

thanksfor the time you put in here and you responses to our questions.

EVERYONE else, Yosemite Sam has it right...stop feeding the freaking trolls. all it does is encourage and prolongs the thread derailings...clouding things for all of us.

I vote this thread stays open...we all move forward with our positive input and ignore any negative posts...leaving them to sit there looking absurd like they are...and allowing the real point of this thread to move forward...for the benefit of all.

if you dont have something positive to say then please just STFU! sit back and learn.

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Old 12-26-2010, 04:32 PM
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Old 12-26-2010, 05:08 PM
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Then your example if you know for sure the trait is hetrozyg, then your example is spot on.
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Old 12-26-2010, 05:21 PM
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well, one positive is we are back to you mr. north which is the direction i wanted to follow cause i think we have similar goals. but first, where do you live and i ask because at my 41 degrees i have also been told forever that hazes were out of my range?

the last five or six years, my world has seen drastic changes in the weather patterns with one consequence being a need for new genetics. this is supposed to be a general warming pattern and i believe the season has extended in spite of winters still being very cold? one positive is that for the second year in a row a beautiful autumn saved me after a wet, hot summer had done its damage. and also for the second year in a row it was the late season sativas that did the best.

until five years ago, i had never seen mold on a plant. it didn't happen where i lived and with what i planted. and today with a few exceptions it is the indicas that are hurt the worst. so i started trying a few hybrids and soon learned not to fear any 10 week strain. and i also tasted my perception of haze again for the first time since the 70s on plants that i grew!

mr. north has the knack for breeding that i lack but i believe he is on the right track. others have spoken of this sort of "climatic adaption" in the breeding of hybrids. ime as strictly a grower and buyer of seed, most of these hybs will flower and even finish as demanded by the weather but will ultimately show their discontent through shitty yields. did you ever see a six foot plant with a one ounce yield? that has been my results when i push the limits too hard. peace-biteme
i live at 42 degrees and i was thinking of trying the new early haze hybrids i think i could get to the middle of october dont you. thats when the finish date say now you have me thinking
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Old 12-26-2010, 05:24 PM
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I read the thread at Icmag, thanks Azra'eill. I disagree with Tom Hill, that 1:1 breeding is going to wind up deletariously limiting the genepool, especially since Marijuana is so much more complex genetically than other crops. This is ridiculous. Look at humans for example. We are the most genetically complex creatures on the planet, yet how do we reproduce ourselves? you got it, on 1:1 ratio, so Tom hills argument doesn't really hold water in my opinion. If you look at the higher species on this planet, from insects all the way up to us humans, you will see that we share one thing in common when we reproduce sexually... that's right, we all reproduce according to a 1:1 ratio. Also it appears that Tom hill makes the mistake that most beginners make as a breeder, and for someone who has been breeding as long as he has, I would think he would have outgrown this simple Prejudice, He culls his plants according to the shape of the leaf.
That is really sad.

Using purely open pollination for breeding is akin to taking all of your seeds, and storing them in the same container, on the one hand, that container might have a higher level of genetic diversity, but on the other hand, you won't really know what you have.

If you are breeding for typology, generally speaking, a 1:1 breeding ratio is truly the way to go. There are many techniques you can use in your program to eliminate deletarious alleles and insure that your strains don't become inbred.

It seems evolution has singled out species that use a 1:1 breeding ratio for greatness(take me and my dogs for example).

Perhaps we can learn something from mother nature and help our plants take this apparently superior evolutionary path.
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Old 12-26-2010, 05:31 PM
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i live at 42 degrees and i was thinking of trying the new early haze hybrids i think i could get to the middle of october dont you. thats when the finish date say now you have me thinking
Hi rimmeo
The early haze hybrids are definitely very nicely bred lines, our very own Bobby Digital found a particularly fine beast a couple seasons back which I watched with great interest. Maybe he will stop in and share his thoughts with us about his experiences with the line? There are definitely phenotypes to be found within the early haze lines which are quite worthy of working with and I look forward to working with this line in the future one day myself. I think I still have my hands full with other projects for the time being though ha! I would recommend grabbing a couple packs of early haze or hybrids, labeling all plants and taking clones and looking for that gem of a plant like Bobby found back in 09?
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Old 12-26-2010, 05:44 PM
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i live at 42 degrees and i was thinking of trying the new early haze hybrids i think i could get to the middle of october dont you. thats when the finish date say now you have me thinking
Ditto on what Jesse said, I was just going to say the same thing.
Here is the link to his grow thread.

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/early-haz...-outdoors.html
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Old 12-26-2010, 05:52 PM
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joshuahazen, I also agree, its sad to cull on leaf shape.

Like I have said befor I keep for length of Greaseyness only.

And like I have said , I have the skinniest leafed plant with a powerfull couchlock/stoned type of Greaseyness, and I have some big braod leafed short squat plants , make me think intergalatic thoughts.

And I also have the reverse.But hell man who are we?
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Old 12-26-2010, 06:15 PM
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Not that it matters, but for anyone that would like another perspective, here gose.

When I make a cross of anything I run,I only will keep anything under 2 hours ,if and only if I see matching traits ,with anything I have kept , everything else becomes, smoke / mid.

But if i come across , a good female that last the same as the mother ,Ill re veg her, and play around, that means run enough, of her to see if she ever lets me down(to see if I always get Greasey)test the lenghth over and over to make sure she is at least as good as the mom, if not , ...latter .

After that its/pest/disease/virus/, susceptibility

After that is basic growth of the plant, What NPK, it likes, how easy to clone exct...

After that, is dose it follow certain structural rules/still after constant cloneing,/breeding.Dose her vigor stay.

But other then that I look for the longest lasting,never let me down/ most constant plant.

The taste ALWAYS...., seems to be there if the genetics are good.

I promis on my heart I will post some pic real soon.

Stay Greezzy all
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