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Old 12-25-2010, 03:54 PM
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This is the interweb, where the shit fly's high! The trick is to filter and I think smoking herb makes it a lot easier .


If you read trough this thread you can clearly see 2 diffrent types of breeding clashing. I am a noob, and I can still see that one half is bottlenecking the good traits via 1on1 matings. While the other group would prever a more natural way of fields of ganja pollinating towards a stable landrace like "in nature" with a little human selection in it.


As somebody who has usually a brutal realistic view AND living in europe, I would sure single out the "natural way". It's not possible over here, no space. What I can do is 1on1 matings. I can try to select a female, I can try to select a male and do the pollination. What I can't do is planting fields of 100's of seeds so... and neither can anybody else. Not shanti, not Nevil. Those day's are over. Authorities and/or criminals will cause loads of problems no matter where you are in the world.

So... the nature's way is more like the "dreamers" way in my opinion. No offence...
nOpe, I assume your mention of 100s of plants points to my first post in this thread?

I take your point...and would say that in my brutally realistic world. 100 plant grows are safer than growing indoors. and still very possible.

5-10 plants IN my house...would get me 20 years in prison...GUARANTEED!

100 plants in the "bush" are less likely to be pinned on me...and much safer to me...in my view and circumstances.

but ...i guess once again...as someone wisely pointed out early in the thread...all our experiences and goals are different and we need to be clear about what those are in our questions and answers.

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Old 12-25-2010, 04:54 PM
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you might need anger managment i see you fighting with a lot of respectable people on this site like nev he is one of the best marijuana breeders of all times now hes trying to teach us how to breed i think everyone should put there ego"s aside and listen to the man not piss the guy off me myself would love to learn how to breed marijuana correctly
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Old 12-25-2010, 06:25 PM
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It's a good point Joshua. Contrary to expectation, a lot of lines just don't click. Even with totally unrelated indicas and sativas, the results are not predictable. For every hybrid that made it into the catalogue, dozens didn't. When you isolated which strains went well together, what still remained was to find the best combination of single parents that out-performed all others. I narrowed down the genepool to the best of the best. Why mix the best combination of plants with the less successful sibling matings. For the sake of someones idea of what's best for the genepool?
People were generally paying me to help them grow the best of what a line or hybrid had to offer. I'm sure I got that part right. All the shit I culled made others champion growers. I loved that job. The gratitude that some people showed, for being able to be in the front row for the first time in their lives was very rewarding.
Most of the work was testing ideas about what went well together and refining it. As far as I can tell, the job is still the same.
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I totally agree, for me, it is really about selection. The technical term is Artificial selection. What am I going to keep? I must have some reason for keeping it.

I always have a specific goal or goals in mind. I had one major goal when I started, above and beyond preservation, and that was to create an awesome strain that had the characteristic stonyness and flavor of the NL5Hz but that could realistically be grown outdoors in Northern Cali, and compete with the best commercial outdoor strains in terms of both timing and yeild. What I wound up with was a crazy combination of diverse and versatile hybrids, that outperformed anything I have ever seen, indoors or out.

I found when looking for a "nick" it was almost as important to find strains that had a sort of transparency(referring to genetic recombination), In terms of stonyness, I was looking for strains, which NL5hz could dominate, in terms of flavor, and potency, and effect. I guess I found strains, that meshed really well, while letting Haze dominate the high, yet also offering dominant traits that I was looking for like earlier budding cycle, and even heavier yields, and the trick was finding that strain that allowed for a finished product that was like NL5Hz, with timing, structure and yeild of the best outdoor Cali strains. I also found that with proper selection, the NL5hz offered structure that was superior to the strains it was combined with, and one of the major features I looked for was dominant monoploidal branching in the subsequent clone generation.

Is there anything you have noticed in selection, tips and tricks to finding the "nicks" or other things you look for in compatibility in general or especially, within the NL5hz?
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Old 12-25-2010, 08:10 PM
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nOpe, I assume your mention of 100s of plants points to my first post in this thread?

I take your point...and would say that in my brutally realistic world. 100 plant grows are safer than growing indoors. and still very possible.

5-10 plants IN my house...would get me 20 years in prison...GUARANTEED!

100 plants in the "bush" are less likely to be pinned on me...and much safer to me...in my view and circumstances.

but ...i guess once again...as someone wisely pointed out early in the thread...all our experiences and goals are different and we need to be clear about what those are in our questions and answers.

Take Care, North.

You are right about the "goal" thing and I believe you that it may be possible to grow a field with 100 plants in your country outdoor. I also get your goal to aclimate a strain for better outdoor yield. All common sense. But how much % can you give that you can also harvest those 100 plants? Where fields like that are planted, security is low, criminality is high. That may make it possible to plant and grow, but not to harvest savely.

Maybe Im all wrong here, Im a young guy and havent seen much so... wasnt involved in any big operation .
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Mr japanfreak,
you might need anger managment i see you fighting with a lot of respectable people on this site like nev he is one of the best marijuana breeders of all times now hes trying to teach us how to breed i think everyone should put there ego"s aside and listen to the man not piss the guy off me myself would love to learn how to breed marijuana correctly
I think you need to realize that I'm here laughing with a smile on my face. I think you need to take some reality classes.
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Old 12-25-2010, 09:58 PM
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No of course it doesn't hurt the cannabis genome, the only way to do that is to introduce modern hybridised cannabis into environments where original landraces are grown.

So how do you think it's hurting things?
I see people aren't very good at reading around here. I wouldn't ask a question if I knew the answer.
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Old 12-25-2010, 11:01 PM
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Excuse me? It's a handle on the internet. I do a lot for my fellow man, I would dare bet a whole lot fucking more than you actually. How much of your money goes to charity there big guy? How much volunteer work you do big guy?

Better stick to your groupies seriously.
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Old 12-26-2010, 12:01 AM
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Hey Nev,
I got a question for you or anybody who knows. Btw, I am no breeder but I am always interested in the subject.

Regarding the stalk and stems of plants: I have noticed that some hybrids have real flimsy branches while other hybrids have really strong branches. Both types may produce great flowers or buds but for obvious reasons the varieties with flimsy branches need support(Trainwreck comes to mind).

My question is, when selecting, is considering this part of the criteria and if so which side of the parents would be observed to pass this trait on(mother, father or both)?

I have to wonder if strong branching is a trait that has been carried over from non-drug varieties such as hemp, in order to strengthen the overall structure of flower bearing varieties?

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Old 12-26-2010, 12:50 AM
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Nev, thanks for the reply.

I guess you see no merit on recurrent selection?

I would guess part of your response, and part of the derailing of this thread also...is as someone mentioned....

WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS?

My Friend, Myself and most of the folks on my home board are outdoor growers only. as mentioned in the second paragraph of my quote/post, the GOAL is acclimatizing strains to an enviroment...while also selecting for the traits you want.

I read the process as working a bit different than you mentioned in your respone...mainly that the plants that are kept would be a 50/50 split of male/female. at that rate 60% cull first go round, 80 % second, etc.

regardless.... as you mentioned in the opening page...your immediate goal is to breed a plant that will produce quality for the end user(grower) immediately.
thats great...if the plant would actually grow AND FINISH! I'd love to grow your haze, or any number of Shantis strains...and if i did by the end of the season...i'd have 15 foot trees...with no buds and the frost would have stopped me dead.

so my goals are different...at least to begin with... get me to F5 and then I'll select the best 1:1, tuned for my outdoor enviro...

Thanks and Take Care, North
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If early flowering is a goal, that's one criteria that can be applied to males each gen. Otherwise, I'd just take seed from the 5 or 6 best females and plant them in different sections. Take seeds from the best female from every line and over time, cull half of the lines. When you are down to your best 2or3 lines, cross them with each other and start again.
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