The future of cannabis

[Hootigh]

Hey Shanti

I had wondered, what do you foresee for the future of cannabis?

Personally i always liked chemistry and it's really an exciting time for botany. New research comes out daily on cytokinins, their pathways, and how they interact with plants but never are any of the published studies on cannabis. I personally have had some good luck with 6-benzylaminopurine in my room. Do you have any notes on cytokinins and their applications to cannabis? It seems like when we have a proper understanding of all these reactions taking place in the plant we could manipulate it to grow into almost any shape desired.
(What im talking about)
Cytokinin signaling in plant development | Development

Also i think any plant in the future that is of benefit will be made perennial.
(More of what im talking about)
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...1109193431.htm

Thanks for your time.

[kief420]

I don’t understand all that fancy talk you are talking about but I for see the future of cannabis becoming fully legalized , and I don’t know if that’s a good thing . I see the industry being taken over by major corporations where one would have to pay out thousands and thousands of dollars for permits and licenses to do any thing so these few corporations will corner stone the market . I think we will also see these corporations put the choke hold on seed companies like mr.nice that produce seeds of actual breeding stock . I think seed prices will drop after that but all that will be available to the public is genetics that have been breed to produce only a certain amount of thc and cbd ,be feminized, and unable to clone and die after one season of growth. I think right now is a critical time for the underground to do two things one being start ones own seed bank , when I say this I mean collecting seeds by breeders that actually produce breeding stock of both male and female plants and maybe some feminsed if one is trying to find a desired trait at a faster rate but in my opinion right now it’s more crucial to purchase seeds that are and can be used for actual breeding stock . The second thing to do is where their maybe out door grows of new generically engineered strains is dropping ones produced seeds with in these genetically modified grows , but I think one may find that difficult because I imagine that these grows will be done indoors under very strict guidelines and environmental conditions.

[WarmEvent9]

I think in the near future, all activities will be legalized. I'm talking about escort girl, drugs and more. In many countries, it has already been established that legalization leads to a reduction in the consumption of prohibited substances, as this becomes publicly available. In addition, taxes on these activities fill the state budget.

[Broseidon]

That knowledge is nearly 20 years old. Portugal went ahead and decriminalized drug use, even hard drugs, a loooong time ago and presented exactly what you mentioned: Abuse goes down, overdoses go down, overall use goes down, overall it's a net profit even in monetary regards, not only healthwise etc.

Still hasn't stopped greedy lobbyists from doing everything they can to not have others follow suite. Also consider how much Portugal was likely punished economically by other nations for going against the grain by ignoring the lobbyists' interests. They paid for that as a nation, dearly...

Then also Denver and others legalizing, that info is 5 years old by now. Still hasn't really changed things.

The numbers have been speaking for themselves for a looooong time now. Hasn't hindered special interest groups from dragging this out for decades so far, what makes you think that is about to change?

I think we can realistically be speaking of a 10-30 year window before things actually get legalized and even then, it won't be as we wish or imagine.

It will be like it is shaping up in the US and EU, where special interest groups (large pharma companies etc.) will get the sole right to produce and sell this stuff and it will continue to be prohibited for you to grow your own because public risks/safety blablabla.

I was ready to drink the kool-aid in EU when medical was legalized but nothing has changed, everything is in limbo and nothing will actually become available or legal until they are ready to slap things with patent rights or this or that label and make it impossible for the "wrong people" to benefit from the legalization.

[Big Sur]

The way things are going here is that large industry is taking over and on a huge scale. Indoor growing is by the square mile now, not just acres.

In Canada, the provinces are all varied in what or even if you can and cannot grow, limits on plant counts, indoor or outdoor allowed, and plant size. All legal weed sold in gov't regulated and licensed stores has to be grown by gov't approved growers using gov't approved strains. Anything sold is heavily taxed. That is for weed and oil. The rush is on there to develop infused beverages and pharmaceuticals. Heavy investing is going into the likes of Marlboro's parent company Altria and Corona Brewing, as well as a series of big pharma companies.

In California, the largest legal market outside of Canada, pen cartridge oil already accounts for half of all weed store sales. The kids like to vape. Growing varies by county and city allowing for indoor or outdoor grows for both medical and rec weed. Medical weed is all but gone in California now, except for home growing in some counties. Commercial sales are all regulated under rec laws there now. Commercial weed is regulated heavily, and taxed to death there. Some counties and cities allow for growing, processing and selling commercial weed, but most do not. Taxes on growing and sales are about 50% of the sale price there now. So in California, commercial weed is all rec, and its either banned outright, or its tax, tax and tax some more.

In Oregon, things have gone pretty smooth. The issues here now are that there is a massive oversupply of weed. Oregon grows 7x what is sold here a year. Anyone can grow their own plants here though, indoors or out, and no county can ban that. But there is a limit of 4 plants per address. No size limits here though. I know guys growing monster 20 ft by 20 ft plants in central Oregon. They can ban commercial growing, processing and sales though. By county area, 2/3 of Oregon does not allow commercial weed. By county population though, 3/4 of the state allows for commercial weed. Medical is all but phased out here, save for a few of us smaller growers. There are no more medical dispensaries in Oregon any more. Only rec stores, which is the same in Washington and California.

We are hindered here in the legal states by federal regulations. As of now, hemp has been legalized, but the FDA and USDA are fighting over regulatory control and demanding that CBD be pulled from shelves saying that it is not 'safe'. For now as a schedule 1 narcotic, no bank will do business with Marijuana growers. But they can with hemp growers now. If Mj is legalized, they will put an excise tax on it at the federal level, like they do hard alcohol in the US. Then it will be up to each state to decide of they want to legalize it or not. Then it will fall under federal and state regulation. Idaho has decided that all Cannabis is illegal and they have busted people from Oregon and Colorado for transporting hemp across Idaho, as a felony Schedule 1 narcotic. But that is in contradiction to the new federal law that hemp with THC below 0.3% is a legal 'agricultural product'. So there are wars in the courtrooms now while people rot in jail.

Meanwhile investing swells on Wall Street as people buy up weed company stock. Altria/Marlboro obviously wants to grow and develop strains for smoking and vaping. Pure and simple, smoke and get high rec market. Corona Brewing wants to infuse cannabinoids into alcoholic and non-alcoholic beverages for the rec market. Both of these companies will develop their own strains and hybrids, and you will never see them. They will be like E34T67-33 x CH673-1A all grown under lights for consistency of cannabinoid and terpene profiles. Then BIG Pharma will have similar plants, but be growing for specific genetic profiles to produce high amounts of the 500 or so cannabinoids and 200 or so terpinoids for use in Rx drugs. They will likley get patents on all of those plants, as well as patents on the drugs derived from them for medical use. I doubt that these large entities will even care about the home grow market or companies like MrN. Home grows will shrink as weed becomes legal. If you can buy a pack of OG Marlboro pre-rolls for $3 a pack, or vape oil with the exact flavor and high that you want (as determined by testing at the Altria factory like they do with cigarettes now), why will anyone grow weed any more? No one grows tobacco here any more. A few make their own beer and wine. But what is coming is all off the shelf smoke, vape, drinks, and Rx drugs.

So far all the Fed legalization bills debated here in the US have kept home growing illegal. Go figure... fuckers. Its heavy regulation, licensing and pay high taxes... or get nothing. Same with distilling booze. Cannot do that here either. Not legally without a license anyway. Us home growers will be a dying breed. The current swelling seed companies will likely all go under after a while, and Ferry Morse will sell Cannabis seeds like they do daisy and lettuce seeds. "White Widow #4", or "Early Lebanese PNW" or "Super OG, High THC". Generic strains of the future. Another factor in the future that is already happening now is medical Cannabis grows for exports. Colombia, Israel, and Canada are already doing that today.

[bluntmassa]

Originally Posted by kief420

I don’t understand all that fancy talk you are talking about but I for see the future of cannabis becoming fully legalized , and I don’t know if that’s a good thing . I see the industry being taken over by major corporations where one would have to pay out thousands and thousands of dollars for permits and licenses to do any thing so these few corporations will corner stone the market . I think we will also see these corporations put the choke hold on seed companies like mr.nice that produce seeds of actual breeding stock . I think seed prices will drop after that but all that will be available to the public is genetics that have been breed to produce only a certain amount of thc and cbd ,be feminized, and unable to clone and die after one season of growth. I think right now is a critical time for the underground to do two things one being start ones own seed bank , when I say this I mean collecting seeds by breeders that actually produce breeding stock of both male and female plants and maybe some feminsed if one is trying to find a desired trait at a faster rate but in my opinion right now it’s more crucial to purchase seeds that are and can be used for actual breeding stock . The second thing to do is where their maybe out door grows of new generically engineered strains is dropping ones produced seeds with in these genetically modified grows , but I think one may find that difficult because I imagine that these grows will be done indoors under very strict guidelines and environmental conditions.

I call bullshit on taking out seed companies, they may stop the bigger ones like MNS ( though I kind of doubt it ) but they ain't touching all the little guys.

Sure corporations will take majority of the market, same could be said about anything legal.

But taking over Mr. Nice, yeah if they offered Shanti enough money maybe, though I think he loves his job ( how couldn't you? Lol) the way I see it Shanti has money for lawyers and shouldn't have too many problems. They force low THC we will do as always, buy seeds from other countries.

What can they really do that they haven't already done? Sure majority will buy big names but I'd still grow my own for fun as will many more people than now during prohibition. I know plenty of people who want to grow just won't because of the laws, they can still take your kids.

[Marcus_in_the_Darkus]

Legalization certainly seems to be taking a lot of the fun out of marijuana.

[Big Sur]

They may even take growing marijuana out of marijuana.

I was listening to an interview this week with a guy from the University of California at Berkeley. Basically he talked about the GMO research that they are doing with brewer's yeast, and being able to grow THC and CBD in a vat. He says that they can grow any type of cannabinoid that you want, for far cheaper than growing plants, in far less space, with no lights, and they can crank out all the THC and CBD and THCv and CBN and other 'noids that you want. Add water, sugar and GMO yeast, give it some time, and out pops the cannabinoids ready for extracting.

As such, growing Cannabis in industry may well become extinct, except for growing hemp for seeds and fiber. GMO THC in your beer, GMO CBD for your cookies, GMO CBN for your Rx sleeping pills. All at dirt cheap prices by the refined pound. So in the future, I do not see much more than a few small boutique seed business surviving for the home growers out there. Off the shelf consumption in the very near future will come from a yeast vat. Do not believe me? Read about it in Scientific American that came out this week. The future is already here now!

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ana-compounds/

[bluntmassa]

Originally Posted by Big Sur

They may even take growing marijuana out of marijuana.

I was listening to an interview this week with a guy from the University of California at Berkeley. Basically he talked about the GMO research that they are doing with brewer's yeast, and being able to grow THC and CBD in a vat. He says that they can grow any type of cannabinoid that you want, for far cheaper than growing plants, in far less space, with no lights, and they can crank out all the THC and CBD and THCv and CBN and other 'noids that you want. Add water, sugar and GMO yeast, give it some time, and out pops the cannabinoids ready for extracting.

As such, growing Cannabis in industry may well become extinct, except for growing hemp for seeds and fiber. GMO THC in your beer, GMO CBD for your cookies, GMO CBN for your Rx sleeping pills. All at dirt cheap prices by the refined pound. So in the future, I do not see much more than a few small boutique seed business surviving for the home growers out there. Off the shelf consumption in the very near future will come from a yeast vat. Do not believe me? Read about it in Scientific American that came out this week. The future is already here now!

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ana-compounds/

That's kind of cool, I can definitely see a market for vaping and edibles. The price probably won't even be that good if they can get a patent. The way I see it dank buds shouldn't even cost that much, it doesn't even really cost more money than growing peppers or tomatoes. Only harvesting, trimming and curing do take a bit more work but not much more than tobacco which is still fairly cheap with all the taxes, figure each cigarette is about 1 gram so roughly 20 grams a pack and it's just over $7 for Marlboro around me. Not too mention with weed I ain't smoking no 20 joints a day. Lol

The price of actual bud should be plenty cheap enough for people to not want GMO crap. But what really bugs me is that a lot of these vape pens use propylene glycol ( anti freeze) and the kids love them, I can definitely see cannabis causing cancer in the future. I won't even rip off other people's pens anymore, I never got into them anyway but I always hit my friends pens. Even seen something about the food grade glycerin being pretty bad as well just don't sound as bad as ANTI FREEZE!! LMAO

And people were worried about BHO...... Lol, I honestly don't understand why more people ain't hating on these pens, sounds at least just as bad as BHO to me, though worse since you are actually inhaling a deadly chemical. But what do I know?

[Big Sur]

Well, according to surveys in California since it went legal there, HALF of the weed shop sales are for pen cartridge oil. Half... millennials and generation Z as they are called have different tastes. The cigarette companies all have the gen z kiddies hooked on tobacco vape pens. So they all want Cannabis vape pens. They do not want to mess with weed or roll joints. Hell, here in Oregon all I see the guys working in the weed shops doing is stuffing pre-rolled joints. People cannot even roll joints any more. Like they seemingly cannot be bothered to make Jello any more. They buy pre-made Jello for 10x the price at Safeway now.

The days of loose pack weed are numbered I think. Like loose tobacco. Yes, you can get loose tobacco and roll your own cigarettes, if you hunt for it. Few people roll their own anything any more. I can twist up a joint in my sleep. But I am a dinosaur. Now that these scientists have figured out how to genetically splice Cannabis into brewer's yeast, cannabinoids and terpenes will all just be brewed in a vat next to the beer. Cannabis products for getting high will become the same process as making vodka. I can see it now. There will be 'Dial a Terpene' vending machines that will crank out vape oil with any flavor that you want added, along with any amount of CBN, THCv, or CBD added. Like the new Coke machines that they have at Burger King now. Insert $5, press buttons and out pops a cartridge of your favorite blend of vaping oil.