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Old 09-28-2011, 11:34 AM
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Default Tories tougher on pot growers than pedophiles

OTTAWA - The Conservative government is using its majority muscle to push through Parliament a massive crime bill that provides harsher penalties for pot growers than pedophiles.

Justice Minister Rob Nicholson said the legislation, made up of nine bills that were introduced in previous years, "is an investment to better protect Canadians in their homes and make them feel safer in their communities."

But just how large an investment, and how it will impact crime levels, remain open questions.

Joe Comartin, the NDP justice critic, said the bill is an uncosted hodge-podge of measures that include the good, the bad and the ugly.

"If you're a mid-level trafficker in drugs, including marijuana, you can get up to 14 years. If you're the same person but you sexually assault — rape — a baby, you can only get up to 10 years," said Comartin.

New mandatory minimum sentences are also harsher for drug crimes, in some instances, than for sexually assaulting a child.

"That's right in this bill," said Comartin.

Tough new laws on Internet luring of children and grooming children for sexual purposes are supported across all party lines, said the NDP critic, and could have been passed before last spring's election if the Conservative-dominated Senate had acted more swiftly.

No one appears to have a firm grip on how much the new crime measures will cost. Prison expansion, new corrections officers, additional court resources and the six-figure price tag for incarcerating a prisoner for each full year all add to the bottom line.

Parliamentary Budget Officer Kevin Page said Tuesday there are big expenditures that are starting to happen, but he has not seen a price tag for the overall plan, something he says Parliament and Canadians need to know.

Page estimated that, based on the pieces of information he's cobbled together, the cost of the government's tough-on-crime agenda is upwards of $3 billion.

"What we would like to be able to do is track the spending quarter by quarter, relative to the overall plan, but we don't have that overall plan in terms of what that aggregate cost will be," he said.

The NDP want to hive off three controversial aspects of the bill and pass the non-contentious stuff — including the child sex crime offences — at all stages immediately.

Comartin proposed to Parliament that three aspects of the 102-page legislation be separated out for further debate:

— Barring anyone with more than three indictable convictions from ever being allowed to apply for a criminal records pardon.

— Setting new, mandatory, minimum sentences for growing six or more marijuana plants, among other drug offences.

— Centralizing and politicizing control over the transfer of Canadians imprisoned abroad back to Canada.

"Some we could agree with, but we would like to have the time for Canadians and us to raise questions, to answer and propose amendments if necessary," said Nycole Turmel, the NDP's interim leader. "But that’s not what they decided to do."

In a parliamentary show of force, Prime Minister Stephen Harper's MPs out-voted the NDP, Liberal, Bloc Quebecois and Green party MPs in the House 158-133, punting the bill to a Conservative-dominated committee before a third and final vote sometime later this fall.

The Conservatives said they would pass the legislation within 100 sitting days of the new Parliament, elected last May 2. Given the parliamentary calendar, the government has until well into 2012 to fulfil its campaign promise.

Tuesday's vote kicked off two days of debate on the crime bill on the floor of the House of Commons.

Liberal MP Frank Valeriotte argued that Conservatives speak derisively of the principle of rehabilitation that was put into Canada's sentencing regime 40 years ago.

"Where have crime rates gone over the last 40 years?" he asked.

Liberal colleague Judy Foote, noting crime rates are at their lowest level since 1973, responded: "This government is trying to fix something that isn't broken."

Conservative MP Larry Miller made a pitch based on the legislation's gut appeal, stronger penalties for child sexual exploitation.

"I'll tell you, Mr. Speaker, as a grandfather of a six- and three-year-old granddaughter, this means a lot to somebody like me," said the rural Ontario MP.

"The stronger the laws we can make to protect our children and the vulnerable, it shouldn't even be a question as to support for this bill."

Comartin later noted that he, too, has grandchildren.

"The difference here is we could have that law in place so Larry Miller and myself and other people who are really concerned about our kids could see that (exploitation) law in place in the next few weeks, as opposed to four or six months, which is what it'll take if we keep it combined," said the New Democrat.
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Old 09-28-2011, 02:38 PM
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Nothing shocks me about the copious amounts of corruption in the Canadian legal system, and how broken it's been over the last 25 years.

If you're Canadian and don't grow legal, I suggest you switch over to being a sexual predator of children, you will have better odds at an early release
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Default still just sharin' the puke boob.

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Hello someonelse,
welcome to elmer dudd's forum
be and do what elmer wants you to be and do or you are troll food because elmer and coop run the forum because elmer and coop are shanti and admini
hempy and jesse? shanti and admini
nevil is "b0b_b1tch1n"
 
or do you follow someone else's script someonelse?

of course you do
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Originally Posted by ganja man1 View Post
Yeah nut your right. Where's my manners.
SOG, although you've turned your troll tactics on me, like I said before, welcome to MNS and I hope you enjoy your stay. When I wanna see some "Elmer bottles" I might pop in from time to time. Don't mind me. (popcorn)
Oh, and it's nice to see you're posting on ICMag again. Oh which thread was it now? Ummm. Oh yeah, The Official Hempy BUCKET thread.
Ummmm... Thanks for sharin
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EDIT : YOU WENT AND DID THIS AFTER I JUST FINISHED TELLING SHANTI IVE NOTICED A CHANGE IN YOU IN THE LAST 24 HOURS , AND A CHANGE FOR THE BETTER
feel so let down now
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I don't know why you're telling Shanti about me for. Do you love me long time too?
you're the one who begged SOG to come here then you should feel so let down, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
id you use one of your numerous IP addresses under a false handle and tell Hempy that SOG was Elmer? Tut tut. I did say that I was going to investigate this!
peace GM1
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for your information , i have a set ip address , i can manually change it , but its a pain doing so , ask admini or shanti if in the last couple years have i ever posted or been on site with a different IP , they can check the logs and see , i promis you they will find that i have been useing the same IP for the last couple years
and another thing , no i did not tell hempy anything of the sort and i dont have multiple handles , i have an account at ic so that i can check posts/pics , and guess what ,,,,, its the same handle i have here , ask the admins there if the ip i use has ever logged into or posted under a different handle , i promis you they will find that none have ;
please stop making things up
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bob, who's humpyBucket on icmag? he's just joined, got 1 post and he's trolling hempy's thread already.My mate also notices that you've made just 7 posts on icmag?
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Come on b0b, something's fishy. What's going on here guys? I'm confused!
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sorry gm1 im with bob on this one. no one from this site cares whats going on at another site. also i grow big as well but never know when the time will come that i have to go small so i feel that micro growers are needed in every community just as much as the average growers and big growers.no one is needed more than the next,thats how we learn to adapt to our situation by watching each others grows and learning from them. yes sog is very blunt i know but so far he is coming with pics and knowledge.no matter how blunt someone may be you cant knock them if their adding to the community.prime example is hempy.a ton of knowledge but not the easiest guy to get a long with.it doesnt matter ho did what or to what extent.the only thing that matters is sharing experience,knowledge ,and we're lucky enough maybe get an online fried or 2.peace!
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SOG's now hiding from my mate on ICmag, refusing to answer his questions. What's going on
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sorry gm1 im with bob on this one. no one from this site cares whats going on at another site. also i grow big as well but never know when the time will come that i have to go small so i feel that micro growers are needed in every community just as much as the average growers and big growers.no one is needed more than the next,thats how we learn to adapt to our situation by watching each others grows and learning from them. yes sog is very blunt i know but so far he is coming with pics and knowledge.no matter how blunt someone may be you cant knock them if their adding to the community.prime example is hempy.a ton of knowledge but not the easiest guy to get a long with.it doesnt matter who did what or to what extent.the only thing that matters is sharing experience,knowledge ,and if we're lucky enough maybe get an online fried or 2.peace!
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sorry gm1 im with bob on this one. no one from this site cares whats going on at another site. also i grow big as well but never know when the time will come that i have to go small so i feel that micro growers are needed in every community just as much as the average growers and big growers.no one is needed more than the next,thats how we learn to adapt to our situation by watching each others grows and learning from them. yes sog is very blunt i know but so far he is coming with pics and knowledge.no matter how blunt someone may be you cant knock them if their adding to the community.prime example is hempy.a ton of knowledge but not the easiest guy to get a long with.it doesnt matter he did what or to what extent.the only thing that matters is sharing experience,knowledge ,and we're lucky enough maybe get an online fried or 2.peace!
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No one asked if you care so stay out of this. If someone's trying to give you a bad name I bet you'd care then!
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I want answers from sog and no-one else, this is his thread after all!
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Sog. Pm? Or you still gonna run?
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Oh guess what? the thread on ICMag which SOG has been contributing to has shut down! Which thread us that may you ask? It's the Official Hempy thread!
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Well I sure as hell hope you're proud of yourself SOG. Who told you to come here and disrupt things? Huh?
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actually i wouldnt care what bad name they gave as long as it didnt have snitch,or rape in it.im not here to impress anyone im here to learn more about my strains and how to grow better.everything else is irrelevant.you should learn that and i was trying to help you.if you havent noticed you have the least amount of friends around here so when shit hits the fan guess what?your the one feeling the burn or maybe not maybe u like it i dont know.just trying to be a friend with some collective advice.use it ignore it whatever.peace!
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If you wanna learn about strains then you're in the wrong thread here mate. Aint no micro grow thread gonna teach you shit!
The official hempy Thread's gonna get shut down coz of this guy. LOOK!
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Hey mate I was going to but I think this is the best forum on the net for info and has some top members and threads
I am just going to keep to the grow info and the plant rather than the BS if thats ok? Please don't be offended if I no longer respond to posts unrelated to what I am here for ...
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G`day Folks I see Gannja Man 1 is a busy boy . I hope he is able to contribute in a positive fashion . Rather than the rubbish he has brought to the table so far .
By the way how`s the Fine Young Casuals goin ?
Thanks for sharin
Elmer Bud .
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Hi Elmer it was nice to hear you had a good time with Mallard up there on your trip, hope your lungs have recovered mate
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no idea who hempybucket is , and yeah so what if ive rarely posted at ic , i rarely go there
ask the admins if the ip there for hempybucket matches mine , i promis it wont
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Hey SOG, before you run off, tell us which troll begged you to come here? At least give us that much. Was it Elmer???
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6, in? - Ordinary young: "In." Young artists: "in it." II B youth: "do you think?"
7, ordinary young people drink Pepsi, Starbucks drink young artists, II B, Fu Yan Jie young to drink; 8, the hair: ordinary young short hair, long hair young artists, two young B colorful hair.9, the toilet: toilet to solve ordinary youth, young artists will pool toilet solution, the second outside toilet Youth B
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Only phony fucks care about "fashion" Elmer, and only the real care that psychotrips potentiate beingness.
duddley/fish
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G`day Fiddley
are you tellin me bein an arse hole isn`t seasonal ?
thanks for sharin
Elmer Bud .
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No Elmer, I'm telling you that..
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Hello everyone.
Iwoke up this morning and thought to myself that things are bright for the following reasons.The Official Hempy bucket thread on ICMag was hijacked by a bunch of micro growers giving out the wrong advice about Hempy "buckets". This has been happening for a very long time now. Now that it's closed this can only be good news for Hempy.One of the micro growers came here and started this thread. He was one of the guys who hijacked the ICmag thread and it appears that he has plans on hijacking the thread here also (which is a shame but there we are). He grows in Elmer bottles. I don't notice hardly any resin on his crop no matter how much he zooms his camera to take the pic. This is probably due to the fact that he flowers in 500w of cfl in tiny little coke bottles? Great for veg, but not so great for flowering as his overblown pics will show.Elmer has brought SOG over here to troll, which was an unprofessional thing to do, but at least you have gained yourself a "mini-Elmer". Several people think of me as a "mini-Hempy". They're right! I am honoured. I hope to duplicate his growing results some day soon.This can now be the new home for other Elmer bottle growers (about twenty of them in the world) and for those wishing to grow micro "Elmers" in tiny little containers, which I believe can only be a good thing for Hempy. I'm pretty sure that he would not want any Elmer bottle growers putting his name to their tiny little grows. Hempy buckets should be grown in bucket sizes from roughly 1 gal to achieve any results worth bragging about IMHO.now I believe that the only winner out of all this BS is Hempy.[/e's retired now and no longer has to put up with all these "parasites" bugging him all day long. I hope he is reading this and having a chuckle to himself whilst being "fuelled by his Haze". can grow his Hazes and he knows everything about the Hazes, unlike these certain wannabees) peace, knowing that his grow method is being shared amongst soooo many thousands of people. I myself included as you all know. That is a magnificent achievement which will be a very hard act to follow. Elmer bottle growers number to about a dozen or two and when they wake up and smell the coffee, they will upgrade their grows and join the 1000's of Hempy bucket growers no doubt.Elmer has the odd apprentice or two growing micro shit. I believe his Elmer bottles will soon be forgotten about. Why? Well because most of the micro growers will want to better themselves one day by finding themselves a BUCKET or two of the correct size, harvest a plant and think to themselves WOW, I wish I did this sooner. then we have SOG who has "entered the building". I mean come on guys, who does he think he is Hulk Hogan. who in the right mind grows shwag in antique furniture anyways? Does Elmer honestly need an apprentice like this? Oh well, he can't give Hempy a bad name anymore because the ICmag thread is closed and should remain that way. Perhaps this thread should be the new home for them, or Elmer can do the right thing by starting an "Elmer Bottle" thread for these guys. Elmer took the concept from Hempy a few years ago and developed the Elmer Bottle (EB for short. Elmer Bud, Elmer Bottle, get it?)anyway, must dash, got some Hempy buckets to look after. Til next time folks
GM1
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Sorry your thread got jacked SOG. It's quite obvious that some here are enamoured by your drivel drool campaign. IMO, the ignore tactic works the best. It pisses of the trolls more that the drivel drool tactic does simply because the drivel drool tactic seems to be allowing them to see that you are still responding to them.

when do we get Chapter 3? That's what I wanna see/read about.
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SOG,
You went from cool to dickhead in record time. Nobody's perfect dude. Why don't you just chill.

-Like your signature lines and
Steelers Rule!
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G`day Fiddley i'm sorry Fiddley I couldn`t find the word phsycotrips in the dictionary .
So you have me at a disadvantage old chap . Would you be so kind as to share its meaning to the rest of us . Maybe then I would be able to make the appropriate response to your pendantic sledge .
So many Roads ...
Tanks for sharin
Elmer Bud .
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I never even done nothing to him. Hemp and I apologised to him but he clearly doesn't accept genuine apologies. He was a bit like this with grassott over at icmag and now he's gone all nuclear over here. not my fault! Elmer never should have brought him here! Go blame him!
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If this is in response to my post don't worry about it, I'm not trying to point fingers at anybody. Just attempting to make a point.
Tis Drivel n Droll campaign is just as ridiculous as trolling since it clutters the boards with a bunch of nonsense.
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i just dont get it i guess
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No my name's not maggot, it's ganja man1, (or GM1 for short). Now once again, I'm sorry that I called you someotherprick and I'm sorry I dissed your plants in the past. It won't happen again. Now can we drop this nonsense now please?
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I got the video for bandwidth b0b and I think the vid's funny. A bit raci... I mean stereotypical but funny nonetheless
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nah man you just went way overboard with this burrying bullshit your pulling
ie got some b1tch1n buckets to go water so ill come back later to play your silly game some more
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^^^^^ i feel the same as you.this clown is a super troll

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Old 11-28-2011, 12:14 AM
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maybe this will help you learn to watch your mouth in someone elses thread.

...this is an exampe of the puke you foold have spewed in MY thread.

...so fuck you very much douche-bag.


here i have copied most of the manure so nobody can delete and deny.





go away little boy.








above is where the boob reveals himself.




and here he denies.









not hiding homey, just busy sweeping the shit into piles so everyone will recognize it.
















































you're a liar boob, as evidenced by all the puke YOU spew all over this forum.














open your mouth wider honey, i want to show everybody how gay i am and i don't want to spew cum all over your face again.




so thats most of the shit, maybe a legit grower or two there caught up in the moment but mostly just a couple maggots jerking each other off.

...maybe in the future the legit growers will refuse to take the bait and become fools.

Peace, SOG
once again troll , thanks for the bump
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