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Old 09-27-2011, 08:28 AM
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Some one asked me too pass Sweet Tooth 4 beans to Steve. This is his reply and I think will answer questions for many of you. Peace GS

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Not the least bit interested in beans from gypsy's hacks. The least they could do is name something new, and credit the origins. I quit the seed biz precisely because of bleeders like that. Heaven forbid that they do some meaningful and original work of their own so that they can watch their strains be bastardized into unrecognizable deviations, so that crooks like gypsy can pimp them.
Nothing new will be released by SOLS until intellectual property rights apply evenly and are enforced. Then the gypsy's will be sued into oblivion, and there will be a point to investing in real breeding operations. The gypsy-type scum bags would rather pay closet farmers to produce seeds of questionable quality and pedigree, rather than professionals who go the extra mile to develop something special with rather higher overhead. Whatever. The market will get what it pays for.
No matter what, the gene pool will evolve. No single breeder can do that alone, the evolution of cannabis results from many farmers saving and planting many seeds, under many conditions, repeatedly. Of course some breeders work will have more staying power, and influence, than others. Breeders, like their seeds, are not all created equal. Once the cannabis market is normalized in legality, those shysters will be looking for another way to rip people off. It is easy to rip off people that have to keep their assets off the radar. I am on to bigger and better things, and long past caring about gypsy and his wankers. I am taking on the biggest villains on the planet, for the benefit of humanity. Believe it or not, you will be onto it sooner than later. I have spent the last three years honing a business model that makes banks and their usurious fiat currency obsolete, and we launch in a month. Everyone is invited to check it out once it is live.
In closing I would like to remind you to grow whatever you plant biologically. It just tastes better!

Steve
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But to dispel incorrect information about MNS using different plants or better plants coming from more original seed is just false...It may be smart to remind most of you who do not know that since the beginning of plant work for MNS and other companies all mother and father plants were always controlled and put into production by myself as Nevil lives on the other side of the world and Howard does not do the plants.
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Old 09-27-2011, 08:47 AM
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Hey FreshGenetics,

take it back to IC.

we don't need their shit here...

we have enough problems dealing with me!

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Old 09-27-2011, 11:07 AM
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Let's see ... abandons the pot seed breeder biz out of frustration with hack breeders and sellers and, for his next trick, will fix world currency and banking practices? Yup, makes total sense.
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Old 09-27-2011, 11:25 AM
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Let's see ... abandons the pot seed breeder biz out of frustration with hack breeders and sellers and, for his next trick, will fix world currency and banking practices? Yup, makes total sense.
guess the wine aint worked out!
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Old 09-27-2011, 05:44 PM
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This old post sheds some light for us NOOBS who were not around the scene 7,8,9 years ago. Makes more sense why he was so bitter in the now deleted rant. Read up quick before the censors come and deletes it


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I decided to write this letter in response to the growing number of inquiries regarding my whereabouts, and the whereabouts of my seeds. Nobody can tell you I got tired of breeding cannabis, I got sick of the business.

The only people that truly understand the dedication and expense of conscientiously growing for seed are people that have done it. Selections require a lot of space, both indoor and out. Certainly the selection process is what I enjoy most about cultivation. Most growers consider such crops a luxury, or at least a necessary evil. The average grower is working for max yield of sinsemilla that is where the money is. This is achieved through systematically replanting identical clones from a high-yielding selection.

Luckily for most growers they will probably get clones from someone who has already discovered it while growing a selection from seed. The grower is rewarded for providing other people with what they don't provide for themselves.

That's cool, not every puffer is a gardener, for whatever reason. I never dreamed of producing mass quantities and raking in a bundle, just to grow my own and share it, as I like.

Factory-like repetition may be the rule of production, for this is how things get built; just consider laying bricks, or weaving a basket. When personal stash is the motivating factor for a grower yield concerns are secondary to quality concerns.

Prior to the retail revolution in cannabis seeds in the Canadian market, many growers gladly traded seeds and clones from their travels and selections. No one had a proprietary interest in "guarding" his or her genetics, every good specimen was proudly shared among all brave enough to continue the age-old act of cultivating good grass.

Distinguished London, Ontario cannabis activist Chris Clay was the first in repressive Canada to stand up for our rights as growers and smokers and openly sold both clones and seeds in Canada's first hemp store.

The Great Canadian Hemporium. Chris always had the tasty as well. Around the time the cops and courts shut him down Marc Emery was taking up the flag in Vancouver. Marc was no stranger to controversy and courts, as an alternative bookstore owner also from Konservative London Ontario

Marc supported banned publications and free speech such as a banned album from the infamous "2 Live Crew". Marc published an alternative paper and wrote most of it. Being high in high school at the time I thought he was pretty cool talking about the evils of The People's Institute of Education and so on.

Soon he would sell High Times and The Emperor Wears No Clothes. After boring of London Politics Marc and family did a stint in Southeast Asia where they eventually got a not-so-boring taste of Indonesian Politics. Returned to Vancouver practically destitute. Made his start selling High Times door to door. Then he was able to continue to sell the controversy around hemp and highness at Hemp BC.

In Vancouver, Marc's boundless energy and enthusiasm for cannabis was fuel for an already largely hip populace. That dude sold a lot of bongs, and his seed catalogue progressed from one, then two, then three strains to probably more than three hundred.

After Marc was busted for the first time selling seeds, I wanted to do something for him. I went downtown Vancouver and I told him, "I have no pictures or samples but here is a film canister of one of my seeds in the spirit of donation if you have the heart to continue selling seeds." He took off the lid and looked at those big fat dark coconuts and told me excitedly, "Make all the seed you can!

Marc gave me some of the seeds that he was selling. The germination rates were low and the finished product of those that did grow did not impress me enough to keep clones. I knew I was the pickiest of puffers and so began the beginning of my seedy career. For five years I had been saving seed of every favourite before I moved to BC.

I grew outdoors mainly until then. There I moved indoors for five years after experiencing the cunning ruthlessness of the prevailing herb pirates. Up until my first fall in BC I had never lost plants to humans. I still don't really think of herb thieves as human and treat them accordingly. People that try and take from you what is rightfully yours are the most contemptible beings on the planets, whether it is your work, your freedom, your loved ones, or your life. Your nightmares will come true when WE get back at YOU.

As far as why Spice of Life Seeds have been unavailable for over a year and a half, it is because I had become simply too hot to continue growing. After Marc lost a huge consignment of Spice Seeds (that were not to be stored in the store, by agreement!), I had to tell my satellite growers, five houses and five strains, that they should plant their next crop for sinse. I had to do crazy things to keep up my payment schedule to them as a point of pride. I never want it said I left someone hanging. To Marc's credit he did an admirable job of keeping the business together through those turbulent times.

The only thing besides my loved ones and my ganja that seemed a worthy expenditure of my valuable energy was to promote economical and environmentally friendly ways of producing gourmet vegetables and fruits. I was actually compelled to start keeping a line of broccoli and a few of tomatoes that were happiest in my bioponic system and really I knew all of that time that all I wanted to do was to start doing selections of cannabis again, to straighten out some current favourites to the point that they could be my finest work. I was elated when I got a phone call inviting me to breed cannabis legally in Europe.

I had pretty much sworn off the business due to the prevalence of knockoffs. It was easy for them, I gave anybody clones of my favourite plants and likely still will. I firmly believe that there will never be too much high quality cannabis in this world, and that there is already way too much shit.

I told Marc after numerous business ethical conflicts, e.g. Say "Sold Out" when a popular seed is unavailable; do not advertise to sell what you don't have. People were ordering Spice and receiving replacements, or deceived, not cool. I was and am still friends with many of Marc's employees and was often shocked at what goes on. Still am. I put together and made popular a brand name Shishkeberry, which achieved much acclaim.

One of Marc's ex-employees that came to work for one of my businesses actually stole two shipments of my seeds before he quit the shop and now kicks back making a tidy living as Cash Crop Ken. He wrote up what he thinks he knows about them, and together with his fence, Marc Emery, exploit the name Shishkeberry that I developed and popularised. In a civilized country I could successfully sue them, but in the cesspool of Marc Emery's current seed scene acts like this are everyday business.

Take for instance some of his employees working for shit wages and growing some good grass in their basement, thanks to clones from me they finally could actually get high from what they grew. These desperate boys are calling themselves Federation Seed Co. Let me set the record straight: Cotton Candy = Sweet Tooth, Island Sweet Skunk = Sweet Skunk, Mikado = Sweet Pink Grapefruit.

These are popular clones I've named and let loose. They claim to have developed them "over the years". Flash-in-the-pan seed company might have been a more appropriate name; they've already crumbled due to a combination of incompetence and shame. Just having my clones does not mean they know how to produce accurate seeds of them when they attempt to reproduce them "over the years" I had long ago told Marc when he asked, that I was not interested in doing knockoffs of others' work, in name or substance.

I claim what the heritage is of my seeds, to give respect and credit to our predecessors, but I develop something original. Marc was also fairly informed that if he began selling knockoffs of my work I would never, ever, ever sell him seeds again. I laugh at him now when he says, "Well, not everyone wants the knockoffs. Sell me more seeds, I'll pay cash." The last deal we made was I erase his crushing debt and he gives Spice of Life free ads for life. He has cancelled that deal as well, but I don't feel too bad writing it off anyway because it's for the cause.

When I was shutting down seed ops for non-payment of seed, Marc was off to Cuba with his new girlfriend. I was Breeder Dave at one time until "a typo" changed that. Cannabis Canada published my home number and therefore address eventually. I have been arrested partially with his help, and contrary to my wishes. While Marc has pled guilty for the cause I have been fighting in court for a head's innocence.

Laughing Moon launched themselves with a tidy purchase of Spice but that was a long time ago now they are selling their versions of my strains as my strains. Impostors such as Dubious David "Freedom" of I-don't-know-what-the-fuck-he-calls-it-now.com who never paid for his small order should be avoided, as should Derek the dongblaster who never even had any Spice but claimed to be the exclusive distributor.

The Amsterdam Café owners, on the other hand, are always fair and honest to deal with, my regards ladies, kudos to you. They are roses amidst the snakes in the grass. Marc was so pissed I won't ever sell him seeds again that he screamed at me, "I made you, you would be nothing without me!" I earned my reputation with quality. Marc had it in for me since the time about two years ago when he asked me to run the Seed Desk at Hemp BC. The offer was generous enough but a desk is not my cup of tea. Smelling the roses is. He asked ten times and then became rude. He couldn't stand that I wouldn't work for him.

To avoid confusion, until further notice, doubt the authenticity of anyone selling Spice of Life Strains except the Amsterdam Café, legendsseeds.com, and seedbank.to. We appreciate it when you bring fraudulent seed dealers to our attention. The Spice of Life name has been synonymous with quality for the last five years and I will not abide its abuse by poseurs. I'm very happy to be back at work now and look forward to bringing you the best I can. As for the price increase the truth is that the cost (and scope) of my experiments have grown incredibly, believe me when I tell you that up until now and still I have not made any money in breeding, it has been an expensive hobby.

However it is my passion and I do what I have to do to afford it. Lots of people aren't in it for the money and I can appreciate that, however I would love to be able to spend ten million on a state of the art facility, a monument to cannabis in a stable country. It would be a dream playground for the committed into the future, don't you think? Working to improve plants by cultivating and collecting plants from seed is a noble calling, greetings to all who ever did so with integrity.

Sinserely Steve
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But to dispel incorrect information about MNS using different plants or better plants coming from more original seed is just false...It may be smart to remind most of you who do not know that since the beginning of plant work for MNS and other companies all mother and father plants were always controlled and put into production by myself as Nevil lives on the other side of the world and Howard does not do the plants.
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Old 09-27-2011, 06:45 PM
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Interesting to say the least.

It is true that alot of people skimp and "outsource" for less quality and this has a harsher price in the long run IMVHO.

Wonder what he has in the works? If theres a way to stop debt and inflation I would be interested in hearing more.

I've heard good things about his seedstock, never tried it yet though.

EDIT : I think he should still sell his beans though and just say his are original and the rest are fakes lol, like Dr atomic does and only lists the sites that sell his g00d beans.
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I enjoyed the blue sattelite and blubonic except for the difficulty in cloning it and its tendency to autoflower when rootbound.

So does this mean that seedboutique is selling knockoff gear of his? It is interesting how the seeds I recieved from them were just in tiny plastic bags with a cheaply made label with the spice of life logo on them.
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Old 09-27-2011, 07:05 PM
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I enjoyed the blue sattelite and blubonic except for the difficulty in cloning it and its tendency to autoflower when rootbound.

So does this mean that seedboutique is selling knockoff gear of his? It is interesting how the seeds I recieved from them were just in tiny plastic bags with a cheaply made label with the spice of life logo on them.
Nah he gave koot the go ahead to sell his/others beans... anything SPG related can have rootbound issues... and the post is old!!
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Old 09-27-2011, 07:26 PM
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Nah he gave koot the go ahead to sell his/others beans... anything SPG related can have rootbound issues... and the post is old!!
From what I gather Kootenay hasn't released anything ever. If I am wrong please do correct me. I see people waiting for his releases, I see him talking about what he's going to release, but I don't see any evidence of anything being released. Chimera produced lines for SOLS and I know he has other genetics from SOLS and Federation. Whether or not he releases them all remains to be seen. How old is that post from Breeder Steve and where was it originally posted?

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But to dispel incorrect information about MNS using different plants or better plants coming from more original seed is just false...It may be smart to remind most of you who do not know that since the beginning of plant work for MNS and other companies all mother and father plants were always controlled and put into production by myself as Nevil lives on the other side of the world and Howard does not do the plants.
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Old 09-27-2011, 08:12 PM
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From what I gather Kootenay hasn't released anything ever. If I am wrong please do correct me. I see people waiting for his releases, I see him talking about what he's going to release, but I don't see any evidence of anything being released. Chimera produced lines for SOLS and I know he has other genetics from SOLS and Federation. Whether or not he releases them all remains to be seen. How old is that post from Breeder Steve and where was it originally posted?

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good things may take time, Koot was given Steves blessing to carry the torch.. no one else... if people cannot wait, then that shows their lack of patience!..

I know it was posted up in 03 at places by but that was alledged it came from 1999. I think it was at cannagenetics


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Steve wrote that up three years ago. Steve isn't telling you he did get paid for all his seeds, and Steve has had a difficult time working with anyone for long. I mean, how does a guy do 5 years of mass cultivating in Switzerland and have nothing to show for it?

Steve is a wonderful character, but no one can work with Steve for long because...he's a character.

I am very glad Cash Crop Ken, the Federation, and others have carried on with strains Steve was unable to. Steve didn't invent these strains, he popularized them, or rather, I popularized them, under Spice of Life. He received cuttings like Sweet Pink Grapefruit and calls it his, well, it isn't his, he just 'named' what was already going around. Sweet Pink Grapefruit is MIKADO, but Mikado has been available for 6 years and Grapefruit has not. The Federation are very conscientious and their stuff is good and consistent. Steve can never make the claim of consistency or reliability because... he is a character. In fact, Steve doesn't have an original cutting of his original Shishk (its Blueberry crossed with a yellow and red Afghani) but I still do, its entered into the 2003 Toker's Bowl as the original Shishkeberry, but Steve & Legends are happily entering the Ultimate Indica from themselves.

I am EXTREMELY GLAD Federation produces four strains that Steve had but discontinued. I am very glad CCK has perpetuated the Shishk.

No one 'owns' any strain of pot. Virtually every single strain from Greenhouse for example is a match for a Sensi Seed strain, in fact, most strains ciruculating in Holland under the major brands for example are identical replicas of Sensi Seed Bank inventory. All the players in Amsterdam know this. No one owns pot cultivars, they are there for the duplicating, tinkering, altering or mass producing.

Certain things can't be imparted, a green thumb, a good palate, an eccentric and lovable personality (Steve), these are unique.

Steve wrote that piece long ago and maybe wishes he hadn't. I don't want to rebut it point by point because all those issues were resolved or dealt with, but they aren't relevent today. If anyone has further questions about it, I'll be glad to answer them.

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