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kylebroflovski 08-16-2010 03:20 AM

Patenting nature.????????????????

Mother ShaBooBoo 08-20-2010 05:03 AM

Things would really get interesting if the producers of Satvex claim that seed sellers are selling there patterned genes and start sending out cease and desist orders. We can only thank god that Monsanto aren't in the cannabis business. :D

kylebroflovski 08-20-2010 06:52 PM

Really they are'nt.??? Not so sure of that. Common sense tells me that would be an area of MUCH interest to them. Most of the time big business is strategizing and positioning themselves to make us pay for something we provided to ourselves in the first place. Heh. Just my opinion.

ironeddie 08-25-2010 12:06 PM

mama said monsanto is the devil
I have watched alot of docu's regarding the very shady unethical actions of the company called monsanto. It is very sad to hear of farmers working for generations on their farms using their own seeds and strains they have themselves developed being torn apart and robbed and infected by monsantos GM food such as farmers in mexico who have been growing their own corn for many generations only to have it stolen away from them by this diseased abomination monsanto calls GM seed which actualy attacks their seed strains and implants its genetic disfunction into them at which point monsanto comes along and declares the farmer owes them money for using their seed merely because their mutated genes are present in them.. would kinda be like me running around with a can of spray paint painting on everything i wanted to own and saying its mine because it has my paint on it this is totaly absurd! the whole problem with this began when the laws regarding the patenting of living things became possible.. i would love to see shanti be able to hold patents on the work and strains he has worked so hard on for so long. but i fear eventualy his work will also be stolen from him by these or other money\power hungry corporations .. also i think once the genetic patents are in place for cannabis they will legalize it world wide after making it unable to produce viable seeds from the crop it's self so therin having complete control over all cannabis in short if you dont buy their seed you wont get any.. sorry for the extended post but this subject is very important to me and all of us whether you realize it or not!... Down with monsanto:eek:

Vegetarian Barbarian 08-27-2010 05:39 PM

I had recently received this email from a friend: I absolutely cant stand anything by this corporation, i like the documentaries. But whats really scary is the fact that Supreme Court Justices used to work for them.

> In October of 2001, my sister started getting very sick. She had stomach
spasms and she was having a hard time getting around. Walking was a major
chore. It took everything she had just to get out of bed; she was in so much
> By March 2002, she had undergone several tissue and muscle biopsies and
was on 24 various prescription medications. The doctors could not determine
what was wrong with her. She was in so much pain, and so sick, she just knew
she was dying. She put her house, bank accounts, life insurance, etc., in
her oldest daughter's name, and made sure that her younger children were to
be taken care of.
> She also wanted her last hooray, so she planned a trip to Florida
(basically in a wheelchair) for March 22nd.
> On March 19, I called her to ask how her most recent tests went, and she
said they didn't find anything on the test, but they believe she had MS.
> I recalled an article a friend of mine e-mailed to me and I asked my
sister if she drank diet soda? She told me that she did. As a matter of
fact, she was getting ready to crack one open that moment.
> I told her not to open it, and to stop drinking the diet soda!
> I e-mailed her the article my friend, a lawyer, had sent.
> My sister called me within 32 hours after our phone conversation and told
me she had stopped drinking the diet soda AND she could walk! The muscle
spasms went away. She said she didn't feel 100% but she sure felt a lot
better. She told me she was going to her doctor with this article and would
call me when she got home.
> Well, she called me, and said her doctor was amazed! He is going to call
all of his MS patients to find out if they consumed artificial sweeteners of
any kind.
> In a nutshell, she was being poisoned by the Aspartame in the diet
soda...and literally dying a slow and miserable death.
> When she got to Florida March 22, all she had to take was one pill, and
that was a pill for the Aspartame poisoning! She is well on her way to a
complete recovery. And she is walking! No wheelchair! This article saved
her life.
> If it says 'SUGAR FREE' on the label; DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!
> I have spent several days lecturing at the WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE
on 'ASPARTAME,' marketed as 'NutraSweet,' 'Equal,' and 'Spoonful.'
> In the keynote address by the EPA, it was announced that in the United
States in 2001 there is an epidemic of multiple sclerosis and systemic
lupus. It was difficult to determine exactly what toxin was causing this to
be rampant.
> I stood up and said that I was there to lecture on exactly that subject.
> I will explain why Aspartame is so dangerous: When the temperature of this
sweetener exceeds 86 degrees F, the wood alcohol in ASPARTAME converts to
formaldehyde and then to formic acid, which in turn causes metabolic
acidosis. Formic acid is the poison found in the sting of fire ants. The
methanol toxicity mimics, among other conditions, multiple sclerosis and
systemic lupus. Many people were be being diagnosed in error. Although
multiple sclerosis is not a death sentence, Methanol toxicity is!
> Systemic lupus has become almost as rampant as multiple sclerosis,
especially with Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi drinkers. The victim usually does
> know that the Aspartame is the culprit. He or she continues its use;
irritating the lupus to such a degree that it may become a life-threatening
> We have seen patients with systemic lupus become asymptotic, once taken
off diet sodas.
> In cases of those diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis, most of the symptoms
disappear. We've seen many cases where vision loss returned and hearing loss
improved markedly.
> This also applies to cases of trinities and firma.
> During a lecture, I said, 'If you are using ASPARTAME (NutraSweet, Equal,
Spoonful, etc) and you suffer from fibromyalgia symptoms, spasms, shooting,
pains, numbness in your legs, cramps, vertigo, dizziness, headaches,
tinnitus, joint pain, unexplainable depression, anxiety attacks, slurred
speech, blurred vision, or memory loss you probably have ASPARTAME
> People were jumping up during the lecture saying, 'I have some of these
symptoms. Is it reversible?'
> Yes! Yes! Yes! STOP drinking diet sodas and be alert for Aspartame on food
labels! Many products are fortified with it! This is a serious problem.
> Dr. Espart (one of my speakers) remarked that so many people seem to be
symptomatic for MS and during his recent visit to a hospice, a nurse stated
that six of her friends, who were heavy Diet Coke addicts, had all been
diagnosed with MS. This is beyond coincidence!
> Diet soda is NOT a diet product! It is a chemically altered, multiple
SODIUM (salt) and ASPARTAME containing product that actually makes you
crave carbohydrates. It is far more likely to make you GAIN weight!
> These products also contain formaldehyde, which stores in the fat
cells, particularly in the hips and thighs. Formaldehyde is an absolute
toxin and is used primarily to preserve 'tissue specimens.' Many products we
use every day contain this chemical but we SHOULD NOT store it IN our body!
> Dr. H. J. Roberts stated in his lectures that once free of the 'diet
products' and with no significant increase in exercise; his patients lost an
average of 19 pounds over a trial period.
> Aspartame is especially dangerous for diabetics.
> We found that some physicians, who believed that they had a patient with
retinopathy, in fact, had symptoms caused by Aspartame.
> The Aspartame drives the blood sugar out of control. Thus diabetics may
suffer acute memory loss due to the fact that aspartic acid and
phenylalanine are NEUROTOXIC when taken without the other amino acids
necessary for a good balance.
> Treating diabetes is all about BALANCE. Especially with diabetics, the
Aspartame passes the blood/brain barrier and it then deteriorates the
neurons of the brain; causing various levels of brain damage, seizures,
depression, manic depression, panic attacks, uncontrollable anger and rage.
> Consumption of Aspartame causes these same symptoms in non-diabetics as
> Documentation and observation also reveal that thousands of children
diagnosed with ADD and ADHD have had complete turn arounds in their behavior
when these chemicals have been removed from their diet. So called 'behavior
modification prescription drugs' (Ritalin and others) are no longer needed.
Truth be told, they were never NEEDED in the first place! Most of these
children were being 'poisoned' on a daily basis with the very foods that
were 'better for them than sugar.'
> It is also suspected that the Aspartame in thousands of pallets of diet
Coke and diet Pepsi consumed by men and women fighting in the Gulf War, may
be partially to blame for the well-known Gulf War Syndrome.
> Dr. Roberts warns that it can cause birth defects, i.e. mental
retardation, if taken at the time of conception and during early pregnancy.
> Children are especially at risk for neurological disorders and should
NEVER be given artificial sweeteners. There are many different case
histories to relate of children suffering grand mal seizures and other
neurological disturbances talking about a plague of neurological diseases
directly caused by the use of this deadly poison.'
> Herein lies the problem:
> There were Congressional Hearings when Aspartame was included 100
different products and strong objection was made concerning its use. Since
this initial hearing, there have been two subsequent hearings, and still
nothing has been done. The drug and chemical lobbies have very deep pockets.

> Sadly, MONSANTO'S patent on Aspartame has EXPIRED!
> There are now over 5,000 products on the market that contain this deadly
chemical and there will be thousands more introduced. Everybody wants a
'piece of the Aspartame pie.' I assure you that MONSANTO, the creator of
Aspartame, knows how deadly it is.
> And isn't it ironic that MONSANTO funds, among others, the American
Diabetes Association, the American Dietetic Association and the Conference
of the American College of Physicians?
> This has been recently exposed in the New York Times.
> These [organizations] cannot criticize any additives or convey their link
to MONSANTO because they take money from the food industry and are required
to endorse their products.
> Senator Howard Metzenbaum wrote and presented a bill that would require
label warnings on products containing Aspartame, especially regarding
pregnant women, children and infants. The bill would also institute
independent studies on the known dangers and the problems existing in the
general population regarding seizures, changes in brain chemistry,
neurological changes and behavioral symptoms.
> The bill was killed.
> It is known that the powerful drug and chemical lobbies are responsible
for this, letting loose the hounds of disease and death on an unsuspecting
and uninformed public. Well, you're Informed now!
> Please print this out and/or e-mail to your family and friends.
> They have a right to know too.

L33t 08-27-2010 06:04 PM

Hi Vegetarian Barbarian

I was aware of the dangers of had read years ago online that a guy that every time he drank diet coke if I m not mistaken (which has aspartame) his back would go all numb!..and so researched a bit on aspartame..

Anyway glad your friends found out the cause and all will be better from now on..
Thanks for spreading the message..there is so much ignorance.. People should read the labels and know what they putting in their body before consuming a product

Namaskar 08-27-2010 06:43 PM

There is more about diet soda's and that is that it will dehydrate you.It makes your body thirsty.Aspartame is still allowed by the EFSA, FDA and is considered safe with normal use, but what is normal.A lot of people incl children are drinking diet's the whole day with some nasty consequences on the long term.
Osteoporoses is one of them.Diet or normal coca cola contains a high amount of phosphoric acid which breaks down the calcium supply in your bones.For 1 glass of coke you'll need 10 glasses of water to bring your body pH in balance, otherwise your body will use the calcium in your body to bring it in balance.

Namaste :)

JessE 08-27-2010 09:41 PM

Serious business
Hi all,
Great contribution VB, in fact not long ago I was mentioning the potential problems with aspartame to my significant other who at the time was drinking diet coke and has subsequently switched. Namaskar has also touched upon something that is also quite interesting and worthy of great consideration. Nice job guys.

Below is something I noticed some time ago now, and thought it to be one hell of a coincidence. All things considered they are likely not the same person, but enough to make you stop and think for a second should you have followed the thread from the beginning until this point. Interesting that Monsanto and the FDA are so intricately connected, and at whose expense?


The box was the reason for Sam Selezny's trip to Holland. He was here by invitation from two pioneers in the weed growing industry. Two companions: Michael Taylor and Wernard Bruining, the owner of the first coffeeshop in Amsterdam. Although they already grew some nederwiet, the quality of it was not particulairly special, the knowledge they possessed of growing wasn't extensive enough.

Like every American, he thought big. Just like Michael Taylor,also known as Michael Rich. They became companions, throwing themselves on the big scale growing of nederwiet.


Michael R. Taylor, the former Vice President for Public Policy at Monsanto has returned through Washington's revolving doors and will now advise FDA Commissioner Margaret A. Hamburg on food safety.

Ronin 08-28-2010 01:49 PM

I used to keep Icebreakers in my mouth at all times. I have OCD and my mouth would dry out from the fibromyalgia meds they had me on so I started having them under my tongue at all times, even while I slept.

Well, where I kept it now has a growth, they think it is fucking mouth cancer from the aspartame . I go Monday to see how much of my fucking mouth they have to cut out. I just told my girl this morning and I wish I wouldn't of, she isn't taking it so well.

I am scared shitless.

I didn't want to put this out there as it will make finding who I am pretty easy if it goes public but I felt compelled to let yas know after reading this thread..

Fuck them motherfuckers.

genegenie 08-28-2010 02:16 PM

Shit, sorry to hear that Ronin, hope it works out for you mate,

Sounds corny but stay positive,definitly helps and yeah fuck them motherfuckers,
Peace, GG

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