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Old 01-15-2012, 09:17 PM
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Ok I read a post a little while back about the plasma lights out of the uk I think . Anyway it was about pricing and to even contact the poster about a hook up price . But I'l be dammed if I can find it! , a search on plasma didn't turn it up . Can someone here take my hand and show me the posting ? Please

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Old 01-15-2012, 11:14 PM
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Old 01-15-2012, 11:20 PM
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I remember that thread because it was the first time I heard of plasma referred to as "Induction Lighting". Try searching for it that way.

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Old 01-16-2012, 01:45 AM
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Old 01-16-2012, 12:20 PM
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Top Grower Just Used Two Of Them And Quickly Got Rid Of His LED's And Described Them As The Bulbs /Lamps Of The Future
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Old 01-16-2012, 07:48 PM
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Thanks guys for the info overload, my brain hurts But having said that and after further searching...I still haven't found the post I was after
In the post there was pricing of about $300 ? or so for the 220 volt model and I think the 120 was close to a grand ?? I dunno, startin to think I was trippin...

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Old 01-17-2012, 08:20 AM
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Thanks guys for the info overload, my brain hurts But having said that and after further searching...I still haven't found the post I was after
In the post there was pricing of about $300 ? or so for the 220 volt model and I think the 120 was close to a grand ?? I dunno, startin to think I was trippin...

the search continues

peace Oz
hi oz, if you were trippin as you put it, maybe you read it somewhere other than MNS??

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dunno if this what you're looking for...
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Old 01-27-2012, 02:33 AM
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Ok, here's the inside story on sulfur plasma. Looked heavily into it a couple years back and it seems like things are much the same today. In the mid-90's there was a push for these in the hydro/pot community, and it seems to come up again every 5 years or so.

The people who were trying to market these to gardeners made claims of 5 year warranties just like many of the HID manufactures were offering. They also made claims of super fast growth which are somewhat true, especially if you use Calcium Bromide sulfur lamps. Sounded too good to be true... so of course, it was!

First I should explain how these work for everybody. Basically you've got a golf ball sized hollow quartz ball filled with argon and sulfur (& maybe CaBr2). This sphere is attached to a crystal rod, which in turn, is attached to a motor. The motor spins the rod and quartz ball at a speed appropriate for the wattage of the unit (2800 rpm for 1100w model... i think). Once up to speed, microwaves are sent through the ball. The microwaves excite the sulfur causing it to glow.

Bulb life is extremely long IF... and this is a big "if"... the motor doesn't stop while the microwave is on. If this little ball stops spinning while it's hot, then lights out... the fraggin' thing melts instantly!

Several companies have tried to make this product effective and marketable... with mild success. The USA Hill Air Force Base & National Air and Space Museum in Washington, D.C. both use sulfur plasma, because a single plasma light and 3M "Light Tube" could replace up to 27 HID lights. 3M used to manufacture a "Light Tube" which evenly distributed the light up to 40 meters. I contacted 3M, but only one guy there even remembered what the project was, and he said they've since been re-purposed. But those light tubes wouldn't really help us growers much anyway. Except those with exceptionally large veg rooms (like big-time breeders).

The product keeps failing and here's why: their motors and microwave emitters are simply not reliable enough. Compared to the magnetic ballasts used today in the industry, they simply aren't a cost effective choice... regardless of spectrum or intensity... who wants to replace their motor every 3-6 months!?

So when the few hydro shops/suppliers who took a chance on the new technology got too many returns for the plasma company to replace, everyone got pissed because they had no real warranty at all. Needless to say, that company went belly up, and the whole hydro community wrote the idea of sulfur plasma off entirely.

I still wanted to try them out... but then I heard they work at 2.4kHz which is the Wi-Fi band... so they can mess up your internet/cable pretty bad unless you shield them in a metal case... which means you can't use the light as directly. But what ultimately stopped me from trying these was just the thought of having so many MICROWAVES floating through my garden while I work in it.

In a perfect world maybe these are the lights of the future, but I'd put my money on LED's to take that title eventually. Eventually

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sorry for bumping but plasma lights have evolved over the years. Luxims LEP is a solid state technology, no more moving parts. I demonstrated them to Shanti and Howard at the Spannabis, he has already seen them at work at flowery field in Austria where they have dramatically improved their cuttings production with plasma lighting.

It is quite simple:

The sun alike spectrum of 300W LEP is great for vegetative growth, nothing beats it there. For generative development you need more efficient red (and infrared) that the HPS is providing much more efficiently (HPS hardly makes any blue photons). HPS is up to 2 micromoles per Watt, plasma is 1 micromole per Watt. The combination of plasma and HPS in flowering keeps your plants green and healthy (right until the end), influences the morphology of the plant, initiates earlier trichome development and enhanced the flavonoids and terpenes in the plant. There are many grow reports available on the net already.

If you look just at yield, you can easily calculate that, by light only, a plasma unit pays back within 2 grow cycles and I am not even counting quality there. Let's face it: We don't grow lettuce under these lights .

compare it to a greenhouse: in order to grow healthy plants you need sunlight. When you do not have enough sunlight you add HPS, which is the most effective lamp for making photons. A common rule in greenhouses is that you need at least 5-10% of blue light. Indoor you obviously do not have sunlight, you can add that with a plasma unit.
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:09 PM
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sorry for bumping but plasma lights have evolved over the years. Luxims LEP is a solid state technology, no more moving parts. I demonstrated them to Shanti and Howard at the Spannabis, he has already seen them at work at flowery field in Austria where they have dramatically improved their cuttings production with plasma lighting.

It is quite simple:

The sun alike spectrum of 300W LEP is great for vegetative growth, nothing beats it there. For generative development you need more efficient red (and infrared) that the HPS is providing much more efficiently (HPS hardly makes any blue photons). HPS is up to 2 micromoles per Watt, plasma is 1 micromole per Watt. The combination of plasma and HPS in flowering keeps your plants green and healthy (right until the end), influences the morphology of the plant, initiates earlier trichome development and enhanced the flavonoids and terpenes in the plant. There are many grow reports available on the net already.

If you look just at yield, you can easily calculate that, by light only, a plasma unit pays back within 2 grow cycles and I am not even counting quality there. Let's face it: We don't grow lettuce under these lights .

compare it to a greenhouse: in order to grow healthy plants you need sunlight. When you do not have enough sunlight you add HPS, which is the most effective lamp for making photons. A common rule in greenhouses is that you need at least 5-10% of blue light. Indoor you obviously do not have sunlight, you can add that with a plasma unit.
If The Herbalizor Praises These L.E.P's , And Goes As Far As Saying These Lights Were So Impressive On A Recent Grow Of Casey Jones . Yield Was Up, As Was Resin Content.
Do Remember The Sulpher Plasma ( And The LPS, Or Low Pressure Sodiums ) Were Both Originally Designed As Street/ Outdoor Lighting. The LG Systems Designed Road Lighting That Sensed Approaching Cars And Would Light Up The Distance. The Lights Passed Would Automatically Switch Off After Traffic Passed ( Like The Old Turn Signals On My Old 68 Ford Cougar )
Once HPS Lamps Made Their Appearance , Low Pressure Halides Or Sodiums Fell Out Of Interest, In Favour For The Correct P.A.R Of HPS In Influencing Plant Growth.
Soon The Dutch ( And Phillips ) Developed The Agra Range Of Bulbs , Which Were Son T, Son T Plus And Son T Agro. The New Bulbs Were Found To Emmit Up To 70% More Lumens When The Bulbs Were Mounted Horizontaly
I Started Growing In 1982-83. In 82 I Was Using Fluorescants And Dirt. In 83 I Was Using 1000 Watt Osram ( Canada) Verticals On Chain Driven Lightmovers ( Clank,Clank)
I Thought O-L.E.D Lighting Would Have Been The Way Forward Til I Saw What L.E.P's Do
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