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Old 09-05-2018, 02:58 AM
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Will definitely take that into consideration thanks guys
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Old 09-05-2018, 11:21 AM
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Hey triplep,

I spoke with Microbeman about my compost tea a little because I had the opposite issue: Too much foam.

He explained to me that this is likely from the malted barley I used in my ACT which basically no longer makes it an ACT but more of an innoculant tea for boosting the microbe herd (or starting it up).

Either way, to my surprise, he said that a basic ACT of just worm castings and molasses (what 519 said is correct by the way, the lil ones need a food source to multiply, hence molasses is important), is not necessarily supposed to foam a hell of a lot.

Could also basically not foam at all. That doesn't necessarily mean the microbes are not multiplying. So don't worry too much about the foam.

As an analogy: People sometimes get distraught when their organic soil mix doesn't produce a layer of mycellium (I think that's what it's called, the fuzzy layer on top of the soil). But while it is ideal if the soil produces that mycellium layer, it is not an indicator that the micro-/fungal herd in the soil isn't developing if it doesn't show. Sometimes the fuzzy mycellium layer also just stays for a very short time before it fades away/breaks down again and you might just miss it because you didn't check in the meantime. It is by no means an indicator for the soil mix being flawed or something. Just under ideal circumstances, you would see it.



@blowingupjake and the whole hydro vs. organics discussion

I was the dude speaking with jake about it via PM before he posted that.

And I am entirely, whole-heartedly convinced of organic growing methods.

That being said, I also whole-heartedly agree with Jake that dealing in absolutes is for the Sith
Things change, things develop and even though I would still be convinced my organic bud would taste, smoke and smell better than his hydro bud, I would not be surprised or call it an outerworldly claim if he said "bro, you probably won't be able to tell the difference".

He also said that after drying, straight off the plant, the organic bud he grew was noticeably nicer to smoke and you could clearly tell it apart from his hydro bud. But after a few months of curing, he was no longer able to tell them apart. And I absolutely believe him.
The dry and cure are very, very, VERY important in all this and the main reason why commercial bud is often crap just as street bud is. Because in both settings, there is, if any, a minimal cure.

While gaining experience in this hobby of ours, I more and more realize that we are not dealing with night and day differences between growing methods, strains, this and that.
We are dealing with nuances here.

And while your standard, poorly grown, basically not cured, hydro bud that you get on the street might be a night and day difference to my organic bud, Jake's hydro bud could very well be just nuances different and any ever so slightly weaker terpene profile or slightly harsher smoke might be offset by slightly higher potency or weight or whatever.

Like most things in life it is not as clear cut as "this is black and this is white".

Most of the stuff is just an endless scale of gray in between if you look hard enough.

So I agree with him, shouldn't throw out so many absolutes, especially since most of us probably can't compare all the stuff from personal experience and, like me, go more by "hey, I researched this, tried it, works for me, this is great. I researched that, haven't tried it because my research told me about potential pitfalls but since the other thing worked so well for me, I'm just going to confirm that the other stuff is crap".

That's bias and we shouldn't discourage someone from forming their own opinion due to it.

Stay frosty my friends
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Old 09-05-2018, 12:28 PM
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Hey triplep,

I spoke with Microbeman about my compost tea a little because I had the opposite issue: Too much foam.

He explained to me that this is likely from the malted barley I used in my ACT which basically no longer makes it an ACT but more of an innoculant tea for boosting the microbe herd (or starting it up).

Either way, to my surprise, he said that a basic ACT of just worm castings and molasses (what 519 said is correct by the way, the lil ones need a food source to multiply, hence molasses is important), is not necessarily supposed to foam a hell of a lot.

Could also basically not foam at all. That doesn't necessarily mean the microbes are not multiplying. So don't worry too much about the foam.

As an analogy: People sometimes get distraught when their organic soil mix doesn't produce a layer of mycellium (I think that's what it's called, the fuzzy layer on top of the soil). But while it is ideal if the soil produces that mycellium layer, it is not an indicator that the micro-/fungal herd in the soil isn't developing if it doesn't show. Sometimes the fuzzy mycellium layer also just stays for a very short time before it fades away/breaks down again and you might just miss it because you didn't check in the meantime. It is by no means an indicator for the soil mix being flawed or something. Just under ideal circumstances, you would see it.



@blowingupjake and the whole hydro vs. organics discussion

I was the dude speaking with jake about it via PM before he posted that.

And I am entirely, whole-heartedly convinced of organic growing methods.

That being said, I also whole-heartedly agree with Jake that dealing in absolutes is for the Sith
Things change, things develop and even though I would still be convinced my organic bud would taste, smoke and smell better than his hydro bud, I would not be surprised or call it an outerworldly claim if he said "bro, you probably won't be able to tell the difference".

He also said that after drying, straight off the plant, the organic bud he grew was noticeably nicer to smoke and you could clearly tell it apart from his hydro bud. But after a few months of curing, he was no longer able to tell them apart. And I absolutely believe him.
The dry and cure are very, very, VERY important in all this and the main reason why commercial bud is often crap just as street bud is. Because in both settings, there is, if any, a minimal cure.

While gaining experience in this hobby of ours, I more and more realize that we are not dealing with night and day differences between growing methods, strains, this and that.
We are dealing with nuances here.

And while your standard, poorly grown, basically not cured, hydro bud that you get on the street might be a night and day difference to my organic bud, Jake's hydro bud could very well be just nuances different and any ever so slightly weaker terpene profile or slightly harsher smoke might be offset by slightly higher potency or weight or whatever.

Like most things in life it is not as clear cut as "this is black and this is white".

Most of the stuff is just an endless scale of gray in between if you look hard enough.

So I agree with him, shouldn't throw out so many absolutes, especially since most of us probably can't compare all the stuff from personal experience and, like me, go more by "hey, I researched this, tried it, works for me, this is great. I researched that, haven't tried it because my research told me about potential pitfalls but since the other thing worked so well for me, I'm just going to confirm that the other stuff is crap".

That's bias and we shouldn't discourage someone from forming their own opinion due to it.

Stay frosty my friends
Great post!well said
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Old 09-06-2018, 11:52 PM
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I'm loving Jack's Professional Hydro 5-12-26 + Calcium nitrate (15.5-0-0)
I do love growing organic, but not indoors. Until i can grow safely outdoors, it's going to be salts. That's ultimately what the plants absorb.

Jack's +calcium nitrate is complete nutrition end to end veg to harvest... However I do cut the calcium nitrate after the stretch and feed the jacks + biomin calcium.
I just switched to Jack's and am using the 321 method. I'm diluting my res down to about 690 ppm and the Colombians seem to be loving it. I want to reduce N in mid-late flower, but don't understand Jack's + biomin calcium. What's that?
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Old 09-07-2018, 12:47 PM
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If your tap water is chlorine based a 24 hour bubble will be sufficient, but if your city uses chloramine than you'll have to use distilled, Ro, or rain water, as chloramine will not evaporate like chlorine does, something to look into
A pinch of Potassium or Sodium metabisulphite (Camden tablet) will sort Chloramine and chloride instantly,
when brewing I would use around 1/8th of a teaspoon to 6 (Imp.) gallons,
although I understand less works.

I can't find the references for the chemistry at the moment but any competent brewer will confirm it works.
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Old 09-08-2018, 05:33 PM
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I just switched to Jack's and am using the 321 method. I'm diluting my res down to about 690 ppm and the Colombians seem to be loving it. I want to reduce N in mid-late flower, but don't understand Jack's + biomin calcium. What's that?
Hey Marcus just a note here about the 321 scheme for Jack's: I believe that formula for running it was designed before they upped the Magnesium. So for me, I am using 1:1 jacks:calcium nitrate until I am way into flowering. The only deficiencies that I have seen were calcium spotting on some of the black widow I ran.
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