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The Real White Widow

The Real White Widow

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Latrodectus mactans, also known as the southern Black Widow spider was the primary taxonomy used to describe the three species of spiders commonly referred to as the Black Widow spider prior to the early 1970’s. Unknown to most, there exists three species of the North American Black Widow spider. Along with Latrodectus mactans, the Latrodectus variolus (northern Black Widow) and Latrodectus hesperus (western Black Widow) are considered species of the North American Black Widow spider, not to be confused of course, with the false Black Widow spider. Such is the case with the infamous White Widow variety of cannabis, a strain of marijuana whose pedigree ultimately consists of a union between a South Indian hybrid and Brazilian Sativa. Her introduction to the masses in 1994 marked the end of an era in Dutch breeding circles and the beginning of a dynasty. Now known as Black Widow, the original White Widow would forever change the face of Dutch breeding and would go on too cement itself firmly as being among the most important strains of cannabis developed in the 20th century.

White Widow was originally bred by Shantibaba, the original founder, owner and head breeder of The Green House Seed Company (GHSC). The variety known as White Widow immediately catapulted itself into rock star status upon introduction to the public in 1994. Within a year of its initial release, White Widow took first place at the High Times Cannabis Cup in 1995 and a wave of copy cat White Widow varieties hit the market soon after. In 1996, both Nirvana and Dutch Passion seed companies purchased a single pack of White Widow seeds respectively from Shantibaba himself at the GHSC and within a year released their own versions of Widow. It wasn’t long before one would be hard pressed to find varieties of cannabis seed available from Holland that weren’t hybrids of the original White Widow released in 1994, literally breathing life into the Dutch cannabis breeding scene that had lagged in the time prior to White Widows release. For many years in Holland varieties such as Northern Lights, Skunk, Afghani and Haze were staples of the Dutch breeding community and with the introduction of White Widow came a renewed vigor in breeding top of the line, commercial and medicinal quality strains of cannabis. With success my friends, breeds greed and contempt for ones fellow man. A wave of White Widow varieties were available to the public by the late 1990’s, all of which were either hybrids a selected White Widow variety from a commercially available pack of F1 White Widow seeds from the GHSC, backcrosses from the original Widow or in some cases out right fraudulent lines to begin with. Having no true relation to the original Widow through hybridization or backcrossing. Imposters! To add to the growing complicated Widow landscape of the time, unscrupulous characters such as Ingemar, a former employee of the GHSC and self described breeder emerged claiming to be the true breeder of White Widow, offering their own version of the now legendary strain of cannabis. As if the whirlwind of disinformation wasn’t enough, along with Ingemar, yet another man who calls himself “Ecotronics” has laid claim to being the true breeder of White Widow and has been insistent everybody else is making money off of his line. While nothing is ever as black and white as it would seem from the outside looking in, it’s this kind of success and ultimately, confusion, that leads to the eventual name change of the original White Widow to the now proverbial Black Widow.

For those of you who may be in possession of genetics related to the Ingemar White Widow, but whom may be finding this article disappointing, I have you covered in that department as well. At one point in time, the man known as Ingemar worked for the GHSC, but if you were to believe Ingemar’s own account of the pedigree of his White Widow lines, one is left with the impression we are talking about distinctly different lines of White Widow from that of the Mr. Nice Seeds White Widow aka Black Widow. According to Ingemar, who now proudly assumes the title of “The Father of White Widow”, the pedigree of his line of White Widow is a secret, but that it was ultimately created from two seeds found in hand rolled hash which were subsequently selectively inbred for at least six years. Ingemar claims to have had access at the time to acres of land that he used to select the best plants from literally thousands of specimens. Again, the exact criteria Ingemar used to select his plants are kept a secret but he has been quoted as stating feed back from numerous medical users over the years played a role in the selection process of his particular White Widow line. According to Ingemar, the GHSC now uses his White Widow lines with express permission given solely to Arjan to use the name White Widow. In an ironic twist of fate, the GHSC now takes complete credit for the breeding and success of White Widow, without mention of either Ingemar or the true breeder of White Widow, Shantibaba, who of course is the only person in existence today with access to the original mother and father lines that created this now mythical variety of cannabis.

As was mentioned earlier, the pedigree of the Mr. Nice seeds Black Widow is the result of a union between a south Indian hybrid indica and a Brazilian sativa. The south Indian hybrid was found at Kovalum Beach, but it was ultimately cultivated in the surrounding mountainous terrain of Kerala. Shantibaba has stated in the past that the special qualities of the south Indian hybrid were enough for him to schedule a “safari” into the mountains of Kerala to find it on his Enfield bike. Within a few days, Shantibaba found himself “sitting in a café drinking a chai and smoking a joint”, when a middle aged, glassy eyed fellow approached him and helped finish off his smoke. After getting severely stoned and drinking the last of their tea, Shantibaba accompanied the man back to his farm only to discover this was the grower of the strain that had lead him into the mountains to begin with. After several days of testing numerous samples of marijuana, all of which had been cultivated, selected and “bred” for years based on resin production, selection was ultimately made on what would later become known as one half of the legendary pedigree of Black Widow. The man who helped Shantibaba finish his joint and ultimately supplied the seed that would later become known as the South Indian hybrid, told him that the seed had always been in his village, but that variation existed among the line depending on which village you visited to gather your wares. The plants are said to finish rather fast, but aesthetic wise have a sativa-esk appearance to them. Along with the Black Widow, several hybrids of this deadly lady have went on to garner much acclaim in their own right, most notably the White Rhino (now known as Medicine Man) and Great White Shark (also known as Peacemaker and Shark Shock), both of which have won a multitude of awards and cups in their own right, with the Medicine Mans pedigree consisting of Black Widow x Afghani and the Shark Shocks pedigree being Black Widow x Skunk#1. These are the original, “true blue” champion lines that garnered the reputations which precede themselves. Both lines find their ultimate pedigree traced back to the original White Widow bred by Shantibaba at the GHSC, now of Mr. Nice seeds (MNS), fronted by the legendary hash smuggler Howard Marks alongside the original “King of Cannabis”, Neville Schoenmaker.

It should be noted there are several Widow Hybrids available to the public from MNS, but all varieties containing the name Widow in the description come from either a select male or female cultivar, both from the same generation whom have underwent extensive testing. Hybrids such as Medicine Man, La Nina, G13xSkunk and Shark Shock are all varieties offered by MNS that encompass the Black Widow father as the main building block for their pedigrees. The exact formula of this male is somewhat of a mystery for all but the select few, however extensive breeding was done on the original White Widow (Black Widow) line and the male contains both the South Indian hybrid sativa/indica and the Brazilian Sativa. In very general terms, within a pack of seed of Black Widow one should expect the females to yield somewhere in the neighborhood of 350-400 grams per square meter. Of course it is phenotype dependant, but an experienced grower could probably do better with some time spent working with the line. Outdoors, the plants can be expected to finish by mid-October. Between the major three, Black Widow, Medicine Man and Shark Shock, the Medicine Man is touted as the fastest variety, coming in between mid September and October with the Shark Shock expected right around the beginning of October, give or a take a few days of course. Of all the hybrids however, Shantibaba describes the Shark Shock as the most successful breed of the ‘90s. One can not go wrong with any of the Widow selections; however the Black Widow is obviously perfect for the amateur breeder. If one was to find themselves in Amsterdam with some time to spare to try each line for them selves, according to Shantibaba the Katsu coffee shop on the Sarphatti Park, along with a gentleman known as Mr. Haze (supplier of official MNS gear to many Dutch coffee shops) and quite a few others stock the MNS Black Widow.

When it’s all said and done, at the end of the day, those at Mr. Nice Seeds hold the original parental lines that produced the White strains that won all of the acclaim in the mid to late 1990’s. The awards and cups are documented, and exist as irrefutable proof of the true origins of the White Widow line. These varieties of White lines are not nearly uncommon, but are of a quality rarely seen on a consistent basis that have managed to capture the hearts and minds of millions of cannabis enthusiasts the world over. Unfortunately, it is all too easy to be led in the wrong direction when it comes to the quest for the true White Widow. Now the picture should be painted much clearer for you. Though, the search has only just begun. Selection is the key to success with any variety, but with some diligence you too can have a mother plant that produces herb almost too toxic to indulge in on a consistent basis. Heed my warning; this is one of the most powerful varieties of cannabis known to mankind. Handle with care, because these lines are known to leave even the most experienced of smokers pleading for mercy. Good luck out there, friends. However, if you go to Mr. Nice seeds to get your Widow you’re not going to need it.
 
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Very nice read, Jesse, thank you for all of these threads you've been putting up lately.

I have a question maybe you can clarify regarding the composition of the hybrids.. At one point it is stated:

" Along with the Black Widow, several hybrids of this deadly lady have went on to garner much acclaim in their own right, most notably the White Rhino (now known as Medicine Man) and Great White Shark (also known as Peacemaker and Shark Shock), both of which have won a multitude of awards and cups in their own right, with the Medicine Mans pedigree consisting of Black Widow x Afghani and the Shark Shocks pedigree being Black Widow x Skunk#1. "

then a bit later it's stated

"It should be noted there are several Widow Hybrids available to the public from MNS, but all varieties containing the name Widow in the description come from either a select male or female cultivar, both from the same generation whom have underwent extensive testing. Hybrids such as Medicine Man, La Nina, G13xSkunk and Shark Shock are all varieties offered by MNS that encompass the Black Widow father as the main building block for their pedigrees. "

The end of that second paragraph says they use the "Black Widow father".. I was just wondering if that means "the father of Black Widow" or that a male Black Widow selection from seed was used for those. I'm pretty sure it means the latter but just wanted to make sure..

Thanks again, very awesome read!

BB
 
Hey Bill, :)
From my understanding at least, every plant here at MNS with the name widow is derived from either the male or female parent plants. This includes ofcourse Shark Shock, Medicine Man and many others as well. But if that is not correct information, please forgive me and by all means I hope the record is set straight.
 
The Real Widow

Great post as usual, JessE;)...I need to get my hands on this hybrid:cool:...she's a must-have strain for sure...jay:)
 
Thanks, Jesse that was a very good read and very well written. I had a chuckle for sure with your statement" leaving expieianced tokers pleading for mercy"..lol Peace GW
 
Good Morning gentleman :)
Its nice to see all of you stop in the thread and leave such kind responses. Ive been pleasantly surprised with the reception my work has received, its reassuring to know others share a respect for those who came before us and their contributions to the industry. There is a wealth of information available at our finger tips, just waiting for interest to be spurred to the point where we investigate further.
 
Hey,

Jesse so basically "Black widow" is the real "White widow"?.

And i didnt know:

White Rhino = Medicine Man.

Great White Shark = Peacemaker and Shark Shock.

Why does Shanti change the name on everything?.
 
I Was Going To Refer You To A Image In My Gallery Entitled " Introducing Mr Nice Seeds " In Which SB Explains The Reasons Behind The Name Changing .
I Have Half The Article ( Image ) In My Gallery ( It Must Be Ten Years Old ! )
With The Technical Problems With Image Uploads At This Time , I'm Sure All Will Be Restored In Due Time ( Respect To The Person Doing All The Hard Work Fixing The Problem:) )
JKP:)
 
Ah shame well look forward to seeing it :). tbh i would asume name change due to the fact that Shanti doesnt own once he left guess he sold up now the rights belong to the owner at this time so probley get done for copywrite
 
great article as always Jesse you do some serious research and have a the gift to articulate your research very well...i can say from experience that the Widow found at MNS is one of the most powerful plants on the planet...i haven't had the Black Widow yet but i may buy a pack to find a male to cross to my prized Aurora Indica...however after trying the Shark Shock and MangoWidow I can say that the male Widow Shanti uses in his crosses makes everything very very strong...the Shark and MW had some eye lid dropping pheno's that were Widow dominant...i can only imagine the strength of the real Black Widow as the male imparts such strength in to every Widow hybrid i've tried from MNS
 
I Have Uploaded Article - See My Random Image Album

Straight From The Horses Mouth ;)
Hope This Helps
JKP
 

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A buddy of mine did a ghs w.widow grow in 97 or 96. It was wonderful, it was incredibley powerful and very hashy tasting. It was a true knockout. He went on to other things and I would get things that ppl would call w.widow and it was similer but nowhere near potent. I had another friend try it out with ghs in 02' it was ditch weed. Then i started reading everywhere that w.widow really wasnt that good afterall and this and that.

Well now I know why, its because it wasnt the real thing! Soon I'll know for sure but I bet that the other so called widows are rip off's of Shanti's.

One thing I wanted to know was are Shanti's black widow's F1's? Is anyone aware of his breeding process? I've seen his pics and videos and slideshows, but I saw an awful lot of cloning going on. Also another thing that made me question this was the fact that there is no haze-a or g-13 clones left. So are those seeds F2's?

awesome post jesse:)
 
A buddy of mine did a ghs w.widow grow in 97 or 96. It was wonderful, it was incredibley powerful and very hashy tasting. It was a true knockout. He went on to other things and I would get things that ppl would call w.widow and it was similer but nowhere near potent. I had another friend try it out with ghs in 02' it was ditch weed. Then i started reading everywhere that w.widow really wasnt that good afterall and this and that.

Well now I know why, its because it wasnt the real thing! Soon I'll know for sure but I bet that the other so called widows are rip off's of Shanti's.

One thing I wanted to know was are Shanti's black widow's F1's? Is anyone aware of his breeding process? I've seen his pics and videos and slideshows, but I saw an awful lot of cloning going on. Also another thing that made me question this was the fact that there is no haze-a or g-13 clones left. So are those seeds F2's?

awesome post jesse:)

Ties In With The Above Image Article( SB Did A Clean Sweep Of The 11th Cannabis Cup In 98 );)
JKP
 
But does everyone here agree that all MNS are indeed f1's? The only 2 that stand out would be neville's haze and the g13 crosses as far as f2's....

Oh and I checked out your pics JKP, you are a MNS vet indeed.

It stinks to look back in hindsight that the best purest gentetics were available only at a time where trade was very limited and rare, the seeds I got back then came back on a plane trip along with everyone else's. It wasnt until at the very earliest in 2000 where canadian mail order companies came back....but by then all dutch seed production had been outsourced......and thats when greed and deception was started in full force to where today we have multiple femenized "autoflowers" going for almost $20 a seed. Damn shame.

In that article of JKP's it goes on to say that shanti, neville and howard got together to pick out the best strains imagineable....can anyone imagine what those smkoing sessions where the strains that got selected from were like? Between sb and neville they must of had strains up to their chins to sort through....
 
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But does everyone here agree that all MNS are indeed f1's?
I would say that only the Af/Hz, and possibly Black Widow are the only true F1's based on "an f1 being the offspring from a combination of true breeding polar strains". The rest appear to be either poly hybrids, re-combinations, or backcross/incross (G/sk x sk). I'm not saying that the strains aren't dank as fukk, but I think that calling them f1's is off.

If certain parents were linebred before bieng used in breeding, than most of the strains would be f1's, but I believe that the seeds on the menu are the offspring of hybrids for the most part.
 
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