joaquin386
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So far Nev do you have any possible candidates?
Crossing Nevil's Haze to unrelated top quality cultivars will produce outstanding hybrids. I would hazard a guess and say that quite a few seed companies have done exactly that and kept themselves in the game, often coming up with a creative legend to avoid admitting that this was the case.
I am thrilled to be able to say that a wave of enthusiasm is sending ripples around the globe, prompting the planet's elite breeders to offer their best genetics to further enhance the cause. My faith in humanity has been restored.
That we all have a large selection of unknown delights to look forward to is pretty much assured. But we have only just begun. Dedicated Americans are scouring the continent for remnants of the true Haze Brothers bloodlines.
Australians are offering their exclusive S.E. Asian lines as candidates and the Dutch still have old cuttings that I no longer have at my disposal and more, to sweeten the pot.
So I'm very excited and I'd like to thank you all for your overwhelmingly positive response.
N.
Heya bh,
the NL5xHzA(2) and the OSH A5 diesel is one and the same.
The mother of NevHz.
Tring to keep up with this thread, reading it in my leisure time, witch is a bit here and there,... My wife will eat me in a few minutes for sure!
Good luck everybody with the making of the grail, i'm so excited, it's like i'm in love again.
Cheers,
Y. Sam
Flo (tastes like cedar, smells like incense, pleasantly potent, clarity in high)
DJ might recommend Flo as male, but...
Now we have a format so that we can more easily understand what is being proposed, lets get back to the plot.
As you can see, from the pedigree of NH, the average age of the grandparents is about 40 years. It is for this reason that the NH is the most useful candidate for the Grail Sire. To my knowledge, it has been inbred to Haze only once, and this came with a price.
The NL5 x Haze, from both Haze males A and B, was a very consistent hybrid. The likelihood of a good plant coming out of a small batch of seeds was in your favour. My opinion for what it's worth is that this is the best Indica/Sativa F1 Hybrids that I have grown. I don't know where you can still get a genuine 5xHz f1 hybrid today. Fortunately we still have clones. of the two best F1 females.
The price for back crossing the 5HzA back to Haze C was that the hybrid was not as consistent as the 5Hz. Maybe one in 20 females would be better than the 5Hz. Further doubling up on HzA or C will reduce the return even further. I know this from experience.
If there are other good haze lines out there, be it from Sam or the Haze bros., what are the chances of it being an F1? If large numbers of the progeny smell like cat piss, it's very likely inbred and therefore not likely to be a good candidate. A 25% Haze hybrid from a different Haze line that has not been inbred to Haze would offer more hope.
Smoko time
N.
.I don't know where you can still get a genuine 5xHz f1 hybrid today. Fortunately we still have clones. of the two best F1 females
i dont think any F1If there are other good haze lines out there, be it from Sam or the Haze bros., what are the chances of it being an F1? If large numbers of the progeny smell like cat piss, it's very likely inbred and therefore not likely to be a good candidate. A 25% Haze hybrid from a different Haze line that has not been inbred to Haze would offer more hope.
Crossing Nevil's Haze to unrelated top quality cultivars will produce outstanding hybrids. I would hazard a guess and say that quite a few seed companies have done exactly that and kept themselves in the game, often coming up with a creative legend to avoid admitting that this was the case.
I am thrilled to be able to say that a wave of enthusiasm is sending ripples around the globe, prompting the planet's elite breeders to offer their best genetics to further enhance the cause. My faith in humanity has been restored.
That we all have a large selection of unknown delights to look forward to is pretty much assured. But we have only just begun. Dedicated Americans are scouring the continent for remnants of the true Haze Brothers bloodlines.
Australians are offering their exclusive S.E. Asian lines as candidates and the Dutch still have old cuttings that I no longer have at my disposal and more, to sweeten the pot.
So I'm very excited and I'd like to thank you all for your overwhelmingly positive response.
N.
My faith in humanity has been restored.
Now we have a format so that we can more easily understand what is being proposed, lets get back to the plot.
As you can see, from the pedigree of NH, the average age of the grandparents is about 40 years. It is for this reason that the NH is the most useful candidate for the Grail Sire. To my knowledge, it has been inbred to Haze only once, and this came with a price.
The NL5 x Haze, from both Haze males A and B, was a very consistent hybrid. The likelihood of a good plant coming out of a small batch of seeds was in your favour. My opinion for what it's worth is that this is the best Indica/Sativa F1 Hybrids that I have grown. I don't know where you can still get a genuine 5xHz f1 hybrid today. Fortunately we still have clones. of the two best F1 females.
The price for back crossing the 5HzA back to Haze C was that the hybrid was not as consistent as the 5Hz. Maybe one in 20 females would be better than the 5Hz. Further doubling up on HzA or C will reduce the return even further. I know this from experience.
If there are other good haze lines out there, be it from Sam or the Haze bros., what are the chances of it being an F1? If large numbers of the progeny smell like cat piss, it's very likely inbred and therefore not likely to be a good candidate. A 25% Haze hybrid from a different Haze line that has not been inbred to Haze would offer more hope.
Smoko time
N.
I always thought the NL5 cut from USA died long ago and reading your post I really believe this is the case and also the case with '84 NL5 (NL), since this would explain what you say about making new NL5Hz f1 is not possible anymore. If I 'm wrong please correct me"I don't know where you can still get a genuine 5xHz f1 hybrid today. Fortunately we still have clones. of the two best F1 females."
A question regarding the Grail, is there a particular reason you want to use '97NH and not freshly made NH seed ? Shanti said the NH parents never changed since NH was first made. So is there any specific reason other than the fact that the '97 seed stock was made by you and also since really old needs to get popped before its too old and unusable
Fortunately we still have clones. of the two best F1 females
I was also wondering about what bigherb suggested about the A5 (5HzA cut that you gave to J in Holland) being a sister to 5HzA(2). Is it true or basically same clone ? By the way Shanti had posted over icmag that the number 2 (in 5HzA(2) ) is purely a selected Haze A male, there were more than one and so numbers were given to them.Maybe he wanted to say there were more than one NL5HzA plants and not HzA as he wrote as I m only aware of 1 HzA to exist?
I don't know where you can still get a genuine 5xHz f1 hybrid today. Fortunately we still have clones. of the two best F1 females.