U.S.A Heads, Do You Know About These Sites?

[REDEYE_420]

I was searching the net a while ago and found these, I was wondering whether people from the U.S.A were actively using any of these sites?

If so, how have the services been, and what was the quality of the goods like?

For those of you that don't know what they are:They seem to be one stop on-line shops for medi-bud, clones, edibles, seeds, extracts, Cannabis jobs etc.

Here are the links:

Budbay

Budtrader

Nugtrader

Peace.

[amathystbuddah]

WOW, That just looks like a totally different reality

Almost like something in a dream.

The US leads the world in many ways culturaly. How long before the UK has a simillar system....5 years?...10 years? Keep pushing at the door over there folks, really hope the Feds dont spoil it for you

Peace

[alegoblin]

Red.Interesting to check out. I keep everything local and legitimate and I see a lot of gray area getting stepped on here with the bud sales but Cali is definitely allowing more of a liberal application of the laws. I would think you might find a po po or two on there but who knows. AB.... It is a great thing huh? I got a feeling at some point we have to run into a Federal wall. Then we just have to push back right ? I think at some point it has to make the UK and Canadian Parliaments think, but with leaders who knows, it may make them run the other way. We (U.S.) owe it to everyone to keep the med scene positive and respectful to the rest of our community that needs to be swayed (not pushed) into seeing things our way, a lot of eyes on us right now. We will all be judged by the community like it or not. I think most are doing a big part to be judged favorably. I hope things turn around for you guys soon. Ale

[brock1]

hi red i live in the UK as you know. but if that was in the UK i know my fare sheer of people that would take cuts from anything and sell them as all sorts of top strains. there's rip offs all over so i can see it being the same there. there may be a few genuine people on there but if you dont know them dont buy from them no mater where there from. if your not seeing the product in person its not worth the risk. someone will always just be trying to sell just for quick money. whats the worst that could happen if you sell shit? you get band and have to make a new account with a different email address and use a different name.

[brock1]

Originally Posted by jaybutta

After one day of quarantine all 5 clones were checked for any problems...spider mites found on one clone...mite damage found on 3 clones...all 5 were sprayed with Azatrol EC Insecticide...I used the medium rate range (1 oz per gallon OR 1% concentration)...they will remain in quarantine for another week, at which time they will receive another Azatrol treatment...as good as it is to have access to such quality genetics, I would warn anyone thinking about acquiring clones from an outside source that the more people these companies source their clones from, the higher the likelihood that one of those sources will pass on some kind of pest infestation...hopefully I can catch the mites early...I will be very upset if they manage to somehow get into my grow, but I am always up for a good challenge...so yes, genetics are more widely available, but it truly is a double edged sword...if I cannot control the mites (too early to call at this time), then I have put all my genetics in jeopardy...so it's up to you...if you think you can handle dealing with other grower's poor gardening hygiene, then I say go for it...if you can't or you know how hard it is to control mites, then I say stick to seeds...I will let you know how it goes...wish me luck...this won't be easy...peace...jay

jay how do you know your clones are the strains there meant to be? do they guarantee there clones come from the place they source the weed from or something? it just seems to easy of a way to just make quick money to me that's all. can anyone just go with clones and claime there this and that and sell them? we have all heard the stories from the BC seed co being any old seed packed with a fancy mane to sell them. how do you know your clones aren't the same? sorry if i seem very negative jay i just dont like seeing people getting riped of that's all mate. i hope all your cuts are genuine and grow well for you good luck with the mites as well mate.

[REDEYE_420]

Originally Posted by alegoblin

...I see a lot of gray area getting stepped on here with the bud sales but Cali is definitely allowing more of a liberal application of the laws. I would think you might find a po po or two on there but who knows.
....We (U.S.) owe it to everyone to keep the med scene positive and respectful to the rest of our community that needs to be swayed (not pushed) into seeing things our way, a lot of eyes on us right now. We will all be judged by the community like it or not. I think most are doing a big part to be judged favorably. I hope things turn around for you guys soon. Ale

Hi Ale, I agree that there are some dangers involved, like you mentioned the po-po on there masquerading as honest medi-suppliers is probably the biggest danger, with cleanliness issues and fake imposter claims following closely behind.

I commend the people who started up these sites however, if everything is run above board, and customers/patients are happy, then you could see heaps more of these types of sites popping up all over the place.

Over time you will be able to separate the weak from the strong, until then there will be teething problems.

Originally Posted by brock1

hi red i live in the UK as you know. but if that was in the UK i know my fare sheer of people that would take cuts from anything and sell them as all sorts of top strains. there's rip offs all over so i can see it being the same there. there may be a few genuine people on there but if you dont know them dont buy from them no mater where there from. if your not seeing the product in person its not worth the risk. someone will always just be trying to sell just for quick money. whats the worst that could happen if you sell shit? you get band and have to make a new account with a different email address and use a different name.

I see your point Brock1, and I agree that there will always be a few bad apples so to speak, but on a whole I would imagine that there is more money to be made through selling 100% legit work than there is in selling dirt weed as gold weed. Once bitten, twice shy and all that.

Like you mentioned though, it is a risk, and it's down to the individual how much trust they lay out on these services.

A quick point I will make is that people probably had the same reservations over seed companies and quality of their product when they first started back in the day, and now look at the seed business!

Originally Posted by jaybutta

After one day of quarantine all 5 clones were checked for any problems...spider mites found on one clone...mite damage found on 3 clones...all 5 were sprayed with Azatrol EC Insecticide
...as good as it is to have access to such quality genetics, I would warn anyone thinking about acquiring clones from an outside source that the more people these companies source their clones from, the higher the likelihood that one of those sources will pass on some kind of pest infestation
...hopefully I can catch the mites early...I will be very upset if they manage to somehow get into my grow, but I am always up for a good challenge...so yes, genetics are more widely available, but it truly is a double edged sword...if I cannot control the mites (too early to call at this time), then I have put all my genetics in jeopardy...so it's up to you...if you think you can handle dealing with other grower's poor gardening hygiene, then I say go for it...if you can't or you know how hard it is to control mites, then I say stick to seeds...I will let you know how it goes...wish me luck...this won't be easy...peace...jay

Hi Jay, kudos for being the first on here to 'give it a go' with regards to the sites I posted. It's a damn shame that there is a spider mite issue, on reflection I was kind of naive to think that all would be golden and rosie, although I did think that hygiene would have been top of the sellers list. I suppose the system is a long way off perfect yet.
I wonder if the website would have any way of dealing with issues like this? Like maybe sending clones to be verified for cleanliness to the sites owners maybe? I don't know.

So one thing that is a must if you do buy clones from these sites is a *mandatory quarantine*, just like Jay has done.

Good luck with the clones Jay, I hope they don't infect your main genetics cache.

What do you use for 'spider mite' infections out of curiosity, Jay? Have you heard of 'Phytoseiulus Persimilis'? It's a natural predator of the spider mite, it's supposed to be a more effective way of killing them. (And natural too). They keep eating all the mites until the are gone and then they die themselves.

[brock1]

Originally Posted by REDEYE_420

Hi Ale, I agree that there are some dangers involved, like you mentioned the po-po on there masquerading as honest medi-suppliers is probably the biggest danger, with cleanliness issues and fake imposter claims following closely behind.

I commend the people who started up these sites however, if everything is run above board, and customers/patients are happy, then you could see heaps more of these types of sites popping up all over the place.

Over time you will be able to separate the weak from the strong, until then there will be teething problems.



I see your point Brock1, and I agree that there will always be a few bad apples so to speak, but on a whole I would imagine that there is more money to be made through selling 100% legit work than there is in selling dirt weed as gold weed. Once bitten, twice shy and all that.

Like you mentioned though, it is a risk, and it's down to the individual how much trust they lay out on these services.

A quick point I will make is that people probably had the same reservations over seed companies and quality of their product when they first started back in the day, and now look at the seed business!


Hi Jay, kudos for being the first on here to 'give it a go' with regards to the sites I posted. It's a damn shame that there is a spider mite issue, on reflection I was kind of naive to think that all would be golden and rosie, although I did think that hygiene would have been top of the sellers list. I suppose the system is a long way off perfect yet.
I wonder if the website would have any way of dealing with issues like this? Like maybe sending clones to be verified for cleanliness to the sites owners maybe? I don't know.

So one thing that is a must if you do buy clones from these sites is a *mandatory quarantine*, just like Jay has done.

Good luck with the clones Jay, I hope they don't infect your main genetics cache.

What do you use for 'spider mite' infections out of curiosity, Jay? Have you heard of 'Phytoseiulus Persimilis'? It's a natural predator of the spider mite, it's supposed to be a more effective way of killing them. (And natural too). They keep eating all the mites until the are gone and then they die themselves.

i agree red but what i want to know is there a way that these sites ect could guarantee that what your buying is what your getting. the seeds thing is irrelevant because there as meany seed company gone because of getting a bad reputation ect. a few with bad reputation still serving now because of publicity. but like you i haven't heard anything good from a cutting bank or bad for that mater. so how do they get a name for themselves? do you leave feed back after growing there cuts or a grow report. i dont think it's a bad idea red i think it a great thing to have. i just think that if a breeder or someone that clones plant's thinks there products good enough to go as a legal bussness. then they would try making people shear how they get on with the cuts to get a genuine reputation for providing a good product. especially as these are mostly new bussness trying to get a good number of clients to use there product.

[REDEYE_420]

Originally Posted by brock1

i agree red but what i want to know is there a way that these sites ect could guarantee that what your buying is what your getting. the seeds thing is irrelevant because there as meany seed company gone because of getting a bad reputation ect. a few with bad reputation still serving now because of publicity. but like you i haven't heard anything good from a cutting bank or bad for that mater. so how do they get a name for themselves? do you leave feed back after growing there cuts or a grow report. i dont think it's a bad idea red i think it a great thing to have. i just think that if a breeder or someone that clones plant's thinks there products good enough to go as a legal bussness. then they would try making people shear how they get on with the cuts to get a genuine reputation for providing a good product. especially as these are mostly new bussness trying to get a good number of clients to use there product.

Yeah I see where your coming from, someone looking to buy Black Widow for instance could end up with some cuts off a weaker plant, which would be a drag.

The idea of leaving feedback on the cuts, seeds or bud you buy would be a positive way of weeding out the weaker/suspect suppliers.

On Budtrader and Nugtrader, they both have sections on Rippers/Rip Offs, Budbay doesn't however.

Budtrader: Guy is selling clones with mites. Said he will take care of any problems. Then does not return calls.

He left the URL of the person on Budtrader selling the infected clones too.
Another not so glowing review here:

Budtrader:ANTHONY CASTILLO FELIX BENDERSKY. GOT ROBBED FOR 5 ELBOWS.
Happened on 7/24. On sunset blvd. ANTHONY CASTILLO was his name on his ID. Other kid was faggot ass little whiteboy who played the \”talker\” card. They pulled out a gun after they acted like everything was fine and dandy and rannnn. These guys are lucky I didn\’t let the llama spit if you know what I mean. It\’s people like these guys that prohibit me from supplying needy patients now…

So it is agreed that there will definitely be teething problems.

[brock1]

Originally Posted by REDEYE_420

Yeah I see where your coming from, someone looking to buy Black Widow for instance could end up with some cuts off a weaker plant, which would be a drag.

The idea of leaving feedback on the cuts, seeds or bud you buy would be a positive way of weeding out the weaker/suspect suppliers.

On Budtrader and Nugtrader, they both have sections on Rippers/Rip Offs, Budbay doesn't however.
He left the URL of the person on Budtrader selling the infected clones too.
Another not so glowing review here:


So it is agreed that there will definitely be teething problems.

that's all i wanted to know mate sorry i didn't see that my self when i first looked at the links. its nice to know these people are taking bussness seriously. i would love people to shear there best cuts with others that's for sure.

[brock1]

Originally Posted by jaybutta

The quick and honest answer to your question is that I don't know 100%, brock1...it comes with the territory...anyone can go and claim anything they'd like...I don't like seeing people get ripped off either, which is why I have these...all I can tell you is this...a lot of nice people went to DJ Short's class, seemingly from all walks...newbies, hydro people wanting to make the transition to organics/soil, commercial types who were curious to pick his brain, dispensary owners, and dispensary employees from all over LA...great way to network, great place to do it...that's how I found out about these elite cuts...DJ said himself that he was making some of his mothers available...I assume I got lucky with the Cocoa Kush and F-13, and let me tell you they look legit...Cocoa has mutated leaves...F-13 looks like she's going to 'sativathefu-kout' when I put her in soil...I chose those other 3 clones because they just might be the same plant...in fact, that's actually the theory in growing them side-by-side...the same plant should have the same expression in the same set-up...this will not be my first go with the OG Kush...I like to think I can spot an OG Kush clone, and these three all look like OG Kush clones, but with slight variations...the pre-'98 Bubba Kush looks to have the heaviest indica expression...widest leaves of the 3 Kushes...I'm even thinking of putting them in the same container so they all get fed/watered at the same time too...synchronized gardening in this bitch and whatnot...the clone industry is a new one, but so far the clones I have acquired have been what people said they were...people like getting their elites out into the community...it's gradually opened up as the scene has progressed...clones were initially offered at very few dispensaries, but those that had them were picky about what strains they carried...having better clones means more patients...now, the cloning industry has branched off into clone-only dispensaries...the theory is it's safer, less suspicious, and just as profitable if not more...they are sitting on a gold mine, but only if what they have IS what they say it is...it is becoming a neat little niche industry...they know where most of their inventory is coming from and if that person is legit...I'd suspect most of these clone-only dispensaries have owners/workers who know how to get an elite or two...with a little networking that number can jump real quick...at this point all I can do is hope, but I believe these are legit...I'll show you what they look like when they're ready to come out and play...jay

so i take it you done a bit of research into your source before getting your plants jay and even used them before. that's a good thing jay. do they ask if you could leave feed back from the clones ect jay? i only ask because i think these places are good to. but they can carry unnecessary risk that could be eliminated easily and even promote there company at the same time. looking foreword to seeing your little ones grow jay.