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Old 08-17-2017, 07:11 PM
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Default Mark's Angel's Breath - New Year's Haze

Hello MNS friends. I'm really excited to start my third grow, my first haze hybrid and my first MNS strain. I've collected a number of MNS strains, and my focus has been almost exclusively on haze hybrids. Other candidates for my first MNS grow included Afghan Haze, Mango Haze inbred line, Neville's Haze Mango and Super Silver Widow. I decided on Angel's Breathe because the parents are so well regarded and because the few reviews have been enticing, to say the least. Nevil commented that AB looks like a great strain. Also, because there aren't many (or any?) complete Angel's Breathe grow logs here, I figured that perhaps I could make a positive contribution to the community.

A bit about me and my setup: I'm a legal, personal rec grower in Massachusetts, a scientist, a tinkerer and an energy efficiency nut. Needless to say I grow under COBs, two 300W 6-Citizen CLU048 COB fixtures I designed and built for 600 W of light in the flowering tent. My 4x4 tent recently turned into a flowering tent when I built a veg/clone cabinet, in which I'll grow and clone the AB seedlings. The veg/clone cabinet is functional but incomplete, and I'll post up some pics of that along the way. I really love growing and having the veg/clone cabinet allows me to do more of it in a given time span. I'm also interested in automation and will be working on that as time allows.

My tent is in my unheated basement so growing in winter is painful because I spend more electricity on supplemental heat than I do on the lights. So I hope to do some things to maximize the overall energy efficiency of my setup, with an emphasis on HVAC efficiency as much as COB LEDs. I'm currently flowering Strawberry Cough and Tangie and I unwittingly timed my current grow well because this (mid August) is the time of year when humidity and temps in the tent can get high (as much as 86F and 75%), but as the outside weather turns cooler that should be less of an issue late in flower. Current grow is at F25-F33, so I expect the flower tent to be available in October. I hope to have a few nice plants harvested around the new year, hence the title of this grow log.

My plan is to grow out up to 10 plants from seed, take clones, and flower the clones in October. I'm growing in coco hempy buckets and using the General Hydroponics flora series drain-to-waste (DTW) feed schedule:



I built a drain table with a 15-gal reservoir below, so my tent only has about 52 inches (1.3 m ) of headroom between the coco surface and the COB fixtures. I'm therefore a little nervous about controlling the height of these plants during the stretch, based on what Shanti said, but I now have some experience mainlining and I'm ready to take on the challenge.

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Originally Posted by shantibaba View Post
it is a strain needing some experience with Hazes....but when it comes out right you will be most satisfied...I assure you.
So, I popped a half tube (10) of Angel's Breathe seeds today in rapid rooters, and we're off!


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Old 08-18-2017, 02:47 PM
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Good luck marcus, I'll be keeping a close eye on this one - cyoheights left some good information on finding his particular pheno if that's what you are looking for. I'm saving my AB until i'm outdoors again myself. Totally agree AB could do with a few more reports.
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Old 08-18-2017, 03:16 PM
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greetings marcus_in_the_darkus!

Nice to see you start this grow with the AngelBreath. I think its a great contribution to the forum, especially if you finish it. Hoping everyday more people will do this, even if the grow turns bad, there is always something to learn from it.
i am jealous about you being able to grow legal! still cant convince the wife of moving to a legal state.

Nice light setup!! you are right about those high humidity in this time of the year. 69% here as we speak and already lost some to bud rot.

how about scrog?

how and what are you going to automate ? is there an arduino involved? I have a arduino checking my COB temperatures, and the amps from the drivers. if something is out of range it will shut down the hole light system and switch on the emergency lamp and notice me by sms that there is a problem.

anyway, cool strain! i will follow. Wish you all the best and luck with the grow!

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Stoked to see how the Angels Breathe does under the COB's. Did you do any outdoor plants Mark?
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Old 08-20-2017, 05:34 PM
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After 72 hours, AB#10 has popped, three more are shedding their husks and most of the rest are showing activity in their rapid rooters but not yet above "ground." I just won another pack of AB on the auctions so I have plenty to pop a few more if all 10 seeds don't germinate.

@masey - That's the pheno I'm looking for! He wrote a fantastic description in the flavor profiles thread. I'm sure I'll find something nice.

@Byorn - It is nice to grow legally and not be looking over your shoulder all the time. Makes it easier to enjoy those racy sativas! I share your frustration reading long grow logs that never get finished, or with no smoke report. After all, I think the affect is what most of us are after. I plan to finish this one in early 2018! I like to be able to move my plants around so I'm not a fan of SCROG, and I realize I'm probably leaving yield on the table by not doing SCROG, but I'll consider it for this grow. I'm planning on lots of topping and training either way. Regarding automation, I have bought a bunch of Arduino sensors and stuff, but have not had time yet to get past the "blinking LED" part of the learning curve. The computer language I'm most experienced with is FORTRAN, lol, so we'll see if this old dog can be taught new tricks. The first things I want to do are to datalog temp and RH in my tent, in my veg/clone cabinet and in my basement. Then I'd like to get rid of the multiple timers I have and use this LinkNode R4: WiFi relay controller 4-Channel Relay Module I recently bought to run four lights: (1) 600 W COBs in my flower tent, (2) 12 W far red LED in my flower tent, (3) 190 W T8 fluoros in my veg/clone cabinet, and (4) future flower space in the veg cabinet. If I can get that figured out then I have an idea for a 4" 12VDC blower motor controlled based on temp and humidity inside the tent and outside in air. I think there's more energy to be saved in HVAC than in lighting for most grow setups!

@OGL1 - No outdoor plants right now other than a male I'm using to collect pollen. I popped four Tangie seeds in May and tried vegging them outdoors this spring and early summer and they performed terribly because we had a cold wet spring and because they were only getting full sun after 10:30 am. They were very happy to be moved into the tent when room became available (6 of 9 indoor Strawberry Cough plants were male). I have very little outdoor weed growing experience but did actually grow some Mexican bagseed into 10' monsters in 1975.

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All the best mate

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Old 08-21-2017, 07:08 PM
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Simone must be thinking blimey why is Angel B so popular all of sudden, she has cyoheights to thank!
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Hello all. I am happy to report that 9 of the 10 seeds are up and the 10th is still in play wearing a seed helmet a little below the Rapid Rooter surface. I tried to upload a picture but get an "upload failed" message in the "Manage Attachments" window. It's a 228 KB jpg file. No problems using this method on my first post. Any suggestions?

@masey, cyoheights' description is indeed fantastic, but it begs the question why is he running SSH when he's found the female Viagra pheno of Angel's Breathe? I think it's fair to say there's some embellishment in his post but, regardless, it's still worth it to pheno hunt through this strain, considering the plants both its parents have produced.

@Dogdaze, thanks for stopping by. I'm really psyched to see how this grow unfolds, and will appreciate input from all.
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Old 08-23-2017, 07:03 PM
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I grew out some AB, and the one i kept is still worth keeping.
it has a very sweet mango type smell, not very "hazey" but its nice.

i recently ran through a few skunk x hazes and found a very similar plant.
im not going to keep it just because the AB already fills that slot.
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Old 08-24-2017, 05:09 PM
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Since I still am not having success uploading attachments here, I started another diary elsewhere on the net and will link images from there until the MNS crew returns from holiday and we can get the image uploading problem sorted out. Given the recent Photobucket debacle that left a gaping hole in the internet, there's a lot of value to users from websites like MNS that host images natively; the content also increases the value of those websites. Nuff said about that. This is a dope-growing thread, not a techie thread. On edit - I forgot that the workaround to the image hosting problem is to create an album and use that link to insert an image. Problem resolved.
Thanks Byorn!


These seedlings took a while to germinate, and after about 5 days I decided to help the stragglers (#2, #5, #8) along with the old embryonic-membrane-removal-with-tweezers trick. Still a 90% germination rate is pretty good, and #2 is still in play so it could be 100%. I used tap water (100 ppm, pH 7 here) for the first 5 days then added a few drops of RapidStart. I'll transfer the seedlings to 6" square pots with coco coir in a few days. They are in my cabinet under ~190W of T8 fluoros from 7pm-11am, but these last bright sunny days I've let them soak up some of Sol's goodness.



Couple questions for the experienced growers here:
  • I noticed a fine layer of grayish mold or mildew on the surface of the Rapid Rooters when I took them out of my under-ventilated veg/clone cabinet yesterday and put them under the sun. They say sunlight is the best disinfectant, and the stuff went right away. Is this a concern as they go back into the veg cabinet? I have not yet installed a vent system in the cabinet and am just leaving the front panel open for now.
  • Can this first set of leaves give any indication of narrow/broad-leaf phenotype? These mostly look pretty skinny to me but it may be my imagination.

Thanks for following along.

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