Phoenix Tears/alcohol extraction/hash oil = MEDICINE

[Colorado]

I am starting this thread to spread information that can help everyone. I do not claim to have all the answers and some of the information I post may be experimental or untested and will be updated and edited as new information is obtained. I have been working on this medicine for a couple of years and I have more information to share than I will be able to type in this first post. I do have several patients with serious illness that I will share results from as they continue to progress. I have plans to test the differences from oils made in different ways and with different strains with laboratory analysis in the near future and that will probably change some of the information I will be sharing at first. I dont want to lead someone in the wrong direction and waste their time or resources, especially since time can be the most limited resource for some patients.

I also dont want to give anyone false hope that this will cure everything for everyone. It has been said by other people working with the oil that it can cure many forms of cancer but they have also said ,that for some patients, early detection can be critical because once they are in the later stages then it is too late and too much damage can be done by chemotherapy and radiation. I am going to have to reference Rick Simpson, since he is the most well known advocate of the oil and a good source of reference. I believe this oil is the most valuable medicine on the planet for a healthy life.

[Colorado]

The first 7 pictures were not taken during an actual production of the oil. I decided to start this thread without all the best pictures because I wanted to start the thread now to help people and didnt want to wait till next month till I made another batch of oil. Thats why some things might not appear exactly how they should but I will edit when I have better pictures.


First picture is of the crock pot that I like to use. I have done it on a stove top but I prefer the crock pot because it won't get too hot and has a timer and the ceramic pot I prefer over any metal for cooking. I like the digital temperature also so I know how how it is and this one really doesn't go over about 190 F so it lowers chances of getting too hot.
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Second picture is my collection of equipment and supplies I use to make the oil.
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Third picture is supposed to show pouring alcohol into jar of ground up cannabis flowers. This jar is not nearly full enough of cannabis and is just for demonstration picture. Usually I would recommend filling jar almost to the top with the best cannabis flowers possible to obtain, ground up as if preparing to roll a joint. Many people recommend using only the best flowers, but if high quantity and high quality aren't available, then I say it is still worth it to use lower quality bottom buds or the most crystallized trim leaf that would usually be used for hash. Some people may say this will create lower quality oil, but it is still better than no oil and I haven't seen any data to show that it is any different except possibly more diluted or lower THC and to that I say just eat more. Most people make BHO with trim and it comes out super potent. I am going to lab test some oil samples from different materials to get more information on this topic.
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This picture is supposed to show that I let the cannabis sit in the jar soaking in alcohol. I have still not decided what
amount of time is best to soak. There are theories about freezing the cannabis and alcohol before soaking and doing a very quick soak then filter. I haven't decided or found enough info to decide on this yet but it would seem logical to me that heat would increase absorption. Then everyone will say that you don't want to absorb too much useless stuff. I want to see lab data on this.
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The next picture is just showing the strainer going into the 10" bowl. Obvious, but I want to eventually show every step.
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The next picture is supposed to show that the strainer is ready to dump the herb into to strain it. I have also used cheesecloth and pillowcases to cover the strainer and the squeeze every possible drop out of the herb. Some may say that this gets too much unwanted material from the herb but I don't want to waste anything and I am not making this oil
to smoke it.
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The next picture is supposed to show the pouring of the alcohol into the crock pot after it has been strained. I am working on a process which I think should be in between these steps to increase filtration. I am going to try to cool/freeze the alcohol before straining again to try to separate the waxes from the solution. I will post picture of this when I do it.
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The next picture is showing the scraping of the oil from the crock pot. If it is cooked too long it can become very crusty and stuck to the pot. If undercooked then it will end up more watery.
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Another similar picture of scraping up oil.
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I like to use these small stainless steel cup to hold the oil because it is too valuable to risk using a glass container that could break.
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This is a close up picture of the oil. This batch appears to have an excess of plant wax in it and should have been filtered in a different way before cooking which I am working on.
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I will edit later with more details but i have to get off computer now and i want to save my workl

[TonyG]

I read on the phoenix tears site that if extensive radiation treatment has been previously administered, then dosage should be doubled to 120 grams in order to repair the chemo damage.

nice work!

if you check out jacks thread on solvents i think he has info on how to remove some of the waxes and fats from an ethanol extraction.

[donb]

Originally Posted by TonyG

I read on the phoenix tears site that if extensive radiation treatment has been previously administered, then dosage should be doubled to 120 grams in order to repair the chemo damage.

Hi TonyG, are you talking about this passage in the PT site:

AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE: Fighting The Damage Caused By Radiation

After the horrible earthquake in Japan, that has caused all this damage to many of the nuclear reactors that are operating in that country, radiation is now spreading worldwide. With high levels of radiation being released into the atmosphere on a continuous basis, it will have a devastating effect on the lives of most living creatures. But once again if used properly high quality hemp oil can provide a solution that will be of great help to mankind in alleviating this situation. For years I have been telling the public, that every man woman and child on this earth, should be taking small doses of this oil everyday to maintain good health. With all the radiation that is now entering our atmosphere, it is basically urgent, that we now all start ingesting this oil as soon as possible to undo the damage this radiation will cause. Through my experience with the use of this oil, I have found that there is nothing more effective or more harmless that can reduce the damage caused by radiation. I have seen patients that were suffering from cancer who were badly damaged by the effects of radiation treatments, that were able to completely eliminate the damage in a short time. Some who have come to me that had radiation treatments, were burned so badly by its effects that their shin looked like red leather. After ingesting the oil treatment their skin went back to its normal healthy state and the radiation burns disappeared completely. If the oil can do this for someone that was badly damaged by such so called medical treatments, would its use not be effective to combat the effects of the radiation, now emanating from Japan.

There are thousands of reasons why the medicinal use of the cannabis plant, should never have been restricted in the first place. But now with the menace that all this escaping radiation presents, we would have to be insane to turn our backs on the use of hemp extracts to help us all deal with this situation. I truly feel sorry for the misery the people of Japan are now going through and if nothing can be done to stop the radiation from escaping, they may loose their homeland entirely. Don’t be fooled by government double talk, radiation is an invisible but dangerous threat to the well being of us all and only a complete fool would try to say otherwise. The wondrous medicinal effects of properly produced oil from the cannabis hemp plant are finally being recognized once more worldwide. This is just one more reason, we must begin to start growing this plant on a grand scale and it is time that we all told our governments that we have had enough of their nonsense. Our very lives and the lives of coming generations, plus the well being of many other species are at stake and its now up to us, to determine what future mankind is to have.

Best Wishes,

Rick Simpson
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Could you please give a link to the new recommendation of Rick's to double the dosage to 120 grams for those being given radiation treatments? My bro and I are giving the oil to a good friend with stage four prostate cancer, and I sure want to keep up on any new recommendation like that, but I cannot find it in the Phoenix tears site [ Message From Rick « Phoenix Tears ]. Of course that makes a lot of sense about dose doubling, still I don't see this? Our friend is having some trouble with being stoned most all the time, he's not a natural lover of weed like bro & me but is definitely into taking the oil cause he became pretty much a believer in it after sending copious amounts of info to him (thank God info is so easy to find nowadays). After more than 3 weeks he's still doing only about half the standard gram a day (divided in 3 doses) dose. His oncologist said he is flabbergasted that he is able to be running around, driving, working etc. after having already had so much radiation. I had told him early on that if anyone proposed rad. for me, I would flip him the biggest bird ever. He's doing the rad. and nothing could stop this.

Thanks, peace, donb

[Colorado]

From my experience with some patients, I tell them to forget about that number of 60 grams. It really depends on the persons size and type of cancer and the stage of the cancer. I have told patients to shut up about the 60 and plan on taking it for as long as possible or the rest of their life. I have a patient that has stage 4 pancreatic cancer and he is eating 3 grams a day and says he doesn't feel like he gets any high from the oil anymore. He also wasn't diagnosed until he was at stage 4 about 2 months ago. He is also doing chemotherapy, so that will affect the results obviously.

I have another patient that started out with skin cancer when I was first learning to make the oil. I couldn't keep her steadily supplied and she moved to another state. Every time she went a period of time off the oil, the cancer got worse very fast. Now she can't go a day without eating the oil or she says she can feel swelling in her glands and that the cancer has spread to her breasts and other areas. This is after 2 years of being on and off the oil and she has refused chemotherapy.

I don't want to crush someone's goal of getting 60 grams and that might cure someone, but I say plan on making more than 60 and treating for more than 60 days.

Also for anyone that wants to avoid being high all day, they can try just eating it before bed if the highness doesn't keep them awake.

Edit: The suggestion I made to just eat the oil before bed to avoid being high all
day is not for everyone and after some discussion and thinking, I decided to add this edit.

For cancer patients, it has been recommended to split up the dosing of the oil into 3 doses spread throughout the day. This should keep the patient with a consistently high level of cannabinoids in their blood as compared to eating it all at once. For anyone with cancer I would only recommend the only before bed dose for the first day or two, to help them build some tolerance without hallucinating all day if they aren't regular cannabis users.

For non cancer patients or whoever wants to take a daily maintenance dose then the before bed dose may be more commonly used. I have no known cancers but I have a few other health issues that I am experimenting with treatments of oil by ingestion and skin applications. Since I don't want to walk around with sticky oil on my face and body, I usually put it on before bed. It is also possible to wake up high after eating it late in the night.

[donb]

Originally Posted by Colorado

..Also for anyone that wants to avoid being high all day, they can try just eating it before bed if the highness doesn't keep them awake.

Thanks for these posts, they are especially of interest to me, since you have been with people with cancer using the Oil. About your last comment about about eating it all (the daily dose) before bed to avoid being high during the daytime hours: hasn't the idea been, particularly with a serious cancer (certainly anything stage 4), to keep one's cells saturated with THC & cannabinoids as continuously as possible? Wasn't it Simpson's reason for dividing the dose (1 gram or whatever daily dose is determined) into 3 each day? I wouldn't be anxious to deviate from a policy for serious cancers that may be responsible for part of its efficacy.

If it was available to us, we'd give our cancer-sticken friend an indica oil to eat for night-time and a sativa oil for daytime. But unless there's more info to say otherwise, I'd be pretty reluctant to deviate from taking the dose spread out into 3 or a number that keeps the effect coming more or less steadily. After all we're talking life & death: life possibly/hopefully, death certainly.

[Colorado]

Sorry i put out conflicting information and I don't want to reduce anyones chances of killing cancer. I think I should have said that a night time dose can be a good way to get used to the medicine for the first few doses, and as tolerance builds then it is easier for people to take it throughout the day. Yes, I agree it is better to spread out the dosing throughout the day, and especially for anyone in the later stages of cancer then there is no time to waste. I just said to eat it before bed as an idea for people who are having difficulties with the high. Some people might say that nothing else matters except killing the cancer but someone else might say I still have to go to work and have to wait till after work. I have recommended the night time dose for the first few doses only to non regular cannabis users so that the patient can get used to the medicine and start to build up some tolerance and then try to start taking it throughout the day. Patients that are not regular cannabis users will have more of an adjustment period getting used to the medicine. A night time dose may be enough to help some people with other ailments or as a preventative benefit but cancer needs to be attacked at full strength. I hope that doesn't sound to contradictory.

[TonyG]

Originally Posted by donb

Hi TonyG, are you talking about this passage in the PT site:

AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE: Fighting The Damage Caused By Radiation

After the horrible earthquake in Japan, that has caused all this damage to many of the nuclear reactors that are operating in that country, radiation is now spreading worldwide. With high levels of radiation being released into the atmosphere on a continuous basis, it will have a devastating effect on the lives of most living creatures. But once again if used properly high quality hemp oil can provide a solution that will be of great help to mankind in alleviating this situation. For years I have been telling the public, that every man woman and child on this earth, should be taking small doses of this oil everyday to maintain good health. With all the radiation that is now entering our atmosphere, it is basically urgent, that we now all start ingesting this oil as soon as possible to undo the damage this kradiation will cause. Through my experience with the use of this oil, I have found that there is nothing more effective or more harmless that can reduce the damage caused by radiation. I have seen patients that were suffering from cancer who were badly damaged by the effects of radiation treatments, that were able to completely eliminate the damage in a short time. Some who have come to me that had radiation treatments, were burned so badly by its effects that their shin looked like red leather. After ingesting the oil treatment their skin went back to its normal healthy state and the radiation burns disappeared completely. If the oil can do this for someone that was badly damaged by such so called medical treatments, would its use not be effective to combat the effects of the radiation, now emanating from Japan.

There are thousands of reasons why the medicinal use of the cannabis plant, should never have been restricted in the first place. But now with the menace that all this escaping radiation presents, we would have to be insane to turn our backs on the use of hemp extracts to help us all deal with this situation. I truly feel sorry for the misery the people of Japan are now going through and if nothing can be done to stop the radiation from escaping, they may loose their homeland entirely. Don’t be fooled by government double talk, radiation is an invisible but dangerous threat to the well being of us all and only a complete fool would try to say otherwise. The wondrous medicinal effects of properly produced oil from the cannabis hemp plant are finally being recognized once more worldwide. This is just one more reason, we must begin to start growing this plant on a grand scale and it is time that we all told our governments that we have had enough of their nonsense. Our very lives and the lives of coming generations, plus the well being of many other species are at stake and its now up to us, to determine what future mankind is to have.

Best Wishes,

Rick Simpson
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Could you please give a link to the new recommendation of Rick's to double the dosage to 120 grams for those being given radiation treatments? My bro and I are giving the oil to a good friend with stage four prostate cancer, and I sure want to keep up on any new recommendation like that, but I cannot find it in the Phoenix tears site [ Message From Rick « Phoenix Tears ]. Of course that makes a lot of sense about dose doubling, still I don't see this? Our friend is having some trouble with being stoned most all the time, he's not a natural lover of weed like bro & me but is definitely into taking the oil cause he became pretty much a believer in it after sending copious amounts of info to him (thank God info is so easy to find nowadays). After more than 3 weeks he's still doing only about half the standard gram a day (divided in 3 doses) dose. His oncologist said he is flabbergasted that he is able to be running around, driving, working etc. after having already had so much radiation. I had told him early on that if anyone proposed rad. for me, I would flip him the biggest bird ever. He's doing the rad. and nothing could stop this.

Thanks, peace, donb

yes I wad looking off the phoenixtears site. It wasnt this quote though, it was just simply stated that 60 grams would cure most cancers and the dosage should be doubled if radiation therapy had been administered in order to heal that damage. But colorado is right, you should never stop taking it(advice.also by mr. simpson). I will find the site I wad on still and post it for you. Im pretty sure it was phoenixtears.ca

[donb]

TonyG & Colorado

Thanks for your diligent answers

And thanks for posting on this subject matter, an area of emerging knowledge that may be changing life on earth for humans in an important way, as we are posting!