clones from 'ready to harvest' plants

[upperhydro2]

Hello to a GREAT GROUP of people,
Having our gardens allows everyone to experiment with different ideas. I grow DWC and have for 25 years or so. As my ceiling height is now low, I was having trouble with the 'Leggy Sativas'.
EXPERIMENT: I allowed one Nevil Haze low branch to grow 14" long and cut it as a clone just days before harvest. This clone had a lot of small 'low branch' buds fully developed. I placed this clone in with other clones to see what would happen. After she had some roots (2 weeks), I put her back in the '12/12 room' and fed her Bloom Nutes, starting with a 1/4 strength and increasing to full strength over 2 weeks. She took about 3 weeks to accept the change. She then started a growth spurt that ended with a 30" tall plant with buds packing on weight. She had very dark green leaves but otherwise she grew like any other plant. After 6 weeks, the plant was 'frosted', the calyx were turning dark and she was ready to harvest. I ended up with 2 DRY ounces of 'very potent' bud from a small, 30" tall plant.
This was the first time I tried this experiment and I was quite pleased. I have another 14" clone starting now (NOT from the experimental plant). I will post photos of her progress if anyone is interested.
If my 2nd test works out, I may never go back to 'normal growing methods'. The 'clone to harvest' time was 8 weeks.
Has anyone else has tried this technique? Would some of you give it a try? I would like to determine if this technique is 'repeatable'.
My set up:
1k hps light - sealed room with CO2 - DIY Icebox 80 square inches
GH Nutes - DWC
Day Temp: 85º F
Night Temp: 72º F
Root Temp: 70º F
pH: 5.8
Thanks,
upperhydro2

[b0b_b1tch1n]

other then rooting time you didnt veg it ?

sounds interesting and id love to hear more and about others you try this on

peace

[upperhydro2]

That's right, Bob. ZERO veg time. The Nevil Haze I've grown normally goes through a growth spurt after switching to 12/12. This is very interesting to me as it cuts down the growth cycle from 14 weeks to 8 weeks. The finished product is just as strong as previous conventional methods.
I hope I have 'stumbled onto' an growing option to help everyone produce great bud in less time. I really want others to try to duplicate this method. If it's 'repeatable', we can go into further studies to determine the THC content, plant structure, etc.
The only difference I saw was an 'under-sized' root ball. This must not have been too much of a problem or the plant would not have survived. This method may only work in rooms with 1500 ppm CO2. Who knows, until we try.
Thank you,
upperhydro

[b0b_b1tch1n]

looking forward to what you find trying this again , i hope this is an actual option we can all use

peace

[pieceolator1]

sounds interresting

[upperhydro2]

I will keep records and photos for the 2nd test so everyone can have a look and see what I've done. I WAS going to get test #2 done before reporting to the Forum but I would rather have 'independent' test results. IF this is NOT 'repeatable' all we have wasted is a little time and effort.
Thanks to all who help with this experiment - one person's success is beneficial to all. I hope growers with more experience than me can input their knowledge to further the cause.
Thanks,
'dro2'

[JetLife]

could one keep a perpetually flowering mom? i see the method, but im not sure of the madness behind it. sounds intriguing and promising though.

[upperhydro2]

Some of the biggest discoveries in history were made from 'errors' or 'mistakes'. Only time will tell. That's why I would like to have as many 'independent' tests of this theory as possible. Attached is a photo of the 'Bastard Girl' before I harvested her.
I have room for at least 10 of these 'bastard plants' at a time. That would produce 20 oz of bud every 8 weeks. This is important to folks like me that have small, low height grow rooms.
We may find that no one else and 'duplicate' this experiment. If so, I'll eat crow. We also may find that we can take 'bigger cuttings' (longer branches) and end up with 'bigger plants'. IF this works, I want to share the knowledge with everyone here at Mr. Nice Forums.
With anything new, comes doubt about it's accuracy. Doubt is normal, healthy, and wise. At least a few of you will try to duplicate my experiments. Again, time will tell if I'm 'full of shit' or not. If it does NOT work, it will not be the first time in my life that I tried something different because it all boils down to 'Theory'.
I'm going to try rooting a 30" ling branch tonight. Within a couple of weeks, we should know if larger cuttings of 'ready to harvest' plants work or not. Personally, I would love to reduce the life cycle to 8 weeks.
Thanks, all,
'dro2

[Pandan]

Throwing a only just rooted clone in to flower may be new to you- but it's a gem that has been discovered and used by many others. It definitely works and is actually part of people's SOG technique to have as little time between harvests as possible. In fact for SOG its the best way to go I reckon.

HOWEVER- you added another dimension by taking a cutting from a near harvest plant. That's actually something that some silly text books will tell you isn't possible. Some sources of information will say that it will take a long time to root if at all. I think the reality of it has to do with the genetics you are growing and if they are compatible with rapid re-veg.
My personal opinion on it is if you get have plants that will willingly root from a late flower cut then that is very convenient- but having a mother plant to take good healthy and stable (no hormones going back and forward from flower to veg to flower) cutting may give a more consistent outcome in the long run.

Do you use any B vitamin additives? They are excellent for anti-shock and general health. I reckon they would kick on the cuttings better if you use it. Some products you may know are: FlairForm Growstorm (i use this one all the way through for more brix and general health), General Hydroponics Floralicious Plus & Super Thrive.. but i don't know if they make that last one still.
I had a plant that got a root zone infection which caused mutation and then just stagnated growth- i popped in some Growstorm and it re-invigorated the plant literally overnight and 24 hours later the plant changed colour and actually grew a few cm's. I didn't recognize it at first i thought "which plant is this again.. oh wow!"
Now that situation could of been a co-incidence, but after a couple weeks of ill health it's very unlikely that the same time i added the growstorm it decided to pick itself right up by itself.

Anyway good work with your personal discovery and be assured you are on to a good thing with the cuttings.

[upperhydro2]

Originally Posted by Pandan

Throwing a only just rooted clone in to flower may be new to you- but it's a gem that has been discovered and used by many others. It definitely works and is actually part of people's SOG technique to have as little time between harvests as possible. In fact for SOG its the best way to go I reckon.

HOWEVER- you added another dimension by taking a cutting from a near harvest plant. That's actually something that some silly text books will tell you isn't possible. Some sources of information will say that it will take a long time to root if at all. I think the reality of it has to do with the genetics you are growing and if they are compatible with rapid re-veg.
My personal opinion on it is if you get have plants that will willingly root from a late flower cut then that is very convenient- but having a mother plant to take good healthy and stable (no hormones going back and forward from flower to veg to flower) cutting may give a more consistent outcome in the long run.

Do you use any B vitamin additives? They are excellent for anti-shock and general health. I reckon they would kick on the cuttings better if you use it. Some products you may know are: FlairForm Growstorm (i use this one all the way through for more brix and general health), General Hydroponics Floralicious Plus & Super Thrive.. but i don't know if they make that last one still.
I had a plant that got a root zone infection which caused mutation and then just stagnated growth- i popped in some Growstorm and it re-invigorated the plant literally overnight and 24 hours later the plant changed colour and actually grew a few cm's. I didn't recognize it at first i thought "which plant is this again.. oh wow!"
Now that situation could of been a co-incidence, but after a couple weeks of ill health it's very unlikely that the same time i added the growstorm it decided to pick itself right up by itself.

Anyway good work with your personal discovery and be assured you are on to a good thing with the cuttings.

Thank you. This is the information I've been waiting for. There are very few 'new ideas' on this planet. I'm very glad to gain your insight and knowledge on this subject. I DID use GH Floralicious Plus, as an after thought, in the clone bucket. I have not investigated SOG due to 'number of plant issues' so I'll get into some chats with that group of growers.
I'm trying to root a 30" tall 'branch' from a NH that is about 2 weeks from harvest and getting real 'frosty'.
More to learn.......everyday. It makes life worth living and gives me something to 'think about' instead of PAIN.
Thank you, Pandan. You are a gentleman and a scholar.
'dro2